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Author:  Beryllin [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:16 pm ]
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583 ... latestnews

Is turnabout fair play?

Author:  darksiege [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:22 pm ]
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not for nothing... I have about as much care for this subject as I do for the Pat Robertson issue.

Author:  Uncle Fester [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:43 pm ]
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I see what you did there...

Author:  Beryllin [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:52 pm ]
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Uncle Fester wrote:
I see what you did there...


Lots of stuff came together perfectly, kinda like it was directed... :)

Author:  Uncle Fester [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:54 pm ]
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If guilty should go to jail and Pat Robertson is nuts but we knew that long ago. But watching personal animosity, ohhh that always makes me giggle, probably why I start half the threads I do . :)

Author:  Müs [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:54 pm ]
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So wait... dude jerked off on a webcam to a federal agent pretending to be a 15 year old girl? And he turned the cam off after he "realized" she was 15? And then the agent
got him to turn the cam back on?

How the hell is this not entrapment? I mean, really. FFS people. *This* is what qualifies as a crime nowadays? Jesus **** christ in a handbasket.

Go catch some actual criminals that are actually harming people instead of this internet sexing of fake 15yo girls.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:59 pm ]
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It's not entrapment because the agent didn't coax him into being online looking for young girls in the first place.

If, as he claims, he didn't realize the "girl" was 15 until after he wa already jerking off, then, depending if it's strict liability or not, he may get found innocent.

The reason this is a crime, however, is the fact that when actual 15-year-old girls get online and do this, they can and do get lured into actual sex with grownups who in some cases kill them.

Author:  Müs [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:11 pm ]
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True, then in those cases, punish those that meet up for actual sex etc.

Jerking off on a webcam? Perhaps I'm jaded, but I don't really see any harm in that.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:18 pm ]
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Müs wrote:
True, then in those cases, punish those that meet up for actual sex etc.

Jerking off on a webcam? Perhaps I'm jaded, but I don't really see any harm in that.


I don't see any harm in jerking off in a webcam either. I see it when it's with a minor. Demanding that adults fulfill their sexual wants with other adults is hardly unreasonable.

As for arresting people for the actual sex.. by that time the kid is already quite possibly dead.

Yes, there are potential problems with this, but the fact of the matter is that internet sexual predators are quite real. If you want to jerk off on the internet with someone, make sure they have a webcam too so you can see how old they are or if they happen to be an imposter.

Author:  Beryllin [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:22 pm ]
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Uncle Fester wrote:
If guilty should go to jail and Pat Robertson is nuts but we knew that long ago. But watching personal animosity, ohhh that always makes me giggle, probably why I start half the threads I do . :)


*whispers* Don't tell anyone, but this is more about poking fun than being serious. Of course if it had actually been a 15 year old girl, I would not use it to poke fun at someone.

Author:  Müs [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:28 pm ]
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Everyone on the internet is a dude.

Especially those that say they're 14yo girls looking for fun.

If more people would remember that, Chris Mathews wouldn't have a job.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:41 pm ]
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Müs wrote:
Everyone on the internet is a dude.

Especially those that say they're 14yo girls looking for fun.

If more people would remember that, Chris Mathews wouldn't have a job.


My daughter uses the internet. She is 17, and not ugly or a dude. So does my wife.

You're lucky I can't reach through the internet and punch you right now. Some day I'm going to invent a gadget to allow that and make millions.

Author:  Beryllin [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:44 pm ]
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Müs wrote:
Everyone on the internet is a dude.

Especially those that say they're 14yo girls looking for fun.

If more people would remember that, Chris Mathews wouldn't have a job.


There are women on the Internet, but it's much safer to assume whoever you're talking to is a guy. :)

Author:  Müs [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:51 pm ]
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Diamondeye wrote:
Müs wrote:
Everyone on the internet is a dude.

Especially those that say they're 14yo girls looking for fun.

If more people would remember that, Chris Mathews wouldn't have a job.


My daughter uses the internet. She is 17, and not ugly or a dude. So does my wife.

You're lucky I can't reach through the internet and punch you right now. Some day I'm going to invent a gadget to allow that and make millions.


/facepalm

That's not exactly what I was trying to infer...

Author:  Diamondeye [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:50 pm ]
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Müs wrote:
Diamondeye wrote:
Müs wrote:
Everyone on the internet is a dude.

Especially those that say they're 14yo girls looking for fun.

If more people would remember that, Chris Mathews wouldn't have a job.


My daughter uses the internet. She is 17, and not ugly or a dude. So does my wife.

You're lucky I can't reach through the internet and punch you right now. Some day I'm going to invent a gadget to allow that and make millions.


/facepalm

That's not exactly what I was trying to infer...


No, but you sure as hell walked right into it. :mrgreen:

Author:  Monte [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:07 pm ]
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Great find, Bery. I don't have a problem holding this person accountable for his actions (despite my distaste for this kind of police operation, in general). Will you hold Pat Robertson accountable for his?

Author:  Khross [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:17 pm ]
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Since Robertson, as much of a douchebag as he is, did not say what you're claiming, that'll be kind of difficult, Monte.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:26 pm ]
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Not to mention the fact that this guy has been arrested for a crime while acting like a douchebag and holding questionable theological positions... is proteced by the First Ammendment. Why should nyone "hold someone accountable" for exercising their rights? Does demanding someone be prosecuted for a sex offense obligate us to disagree with someone's religious opinion becuase someone else finds it ofensive?

Author:  Lenas [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:26 pm ]
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Let's not mix up threads, fellas.

Author:  Monte [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:34 pm ]
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Khross wrote:
Since Robertson, as much of a douchebag as he is, did not say what you're claiming, that'll be kind of difficult, Monte.


ORLY?

During the Roberts vote, which was round about Katrina time, he said -

Pat Robertson wrote:
We have killed over 40 million unborn babies in America. I was reading, yesterday, a book that was very interesting about what God has to say in the Old Testament about those who shed innocent blood. And he used the term that those who do this, "the land will vomit you out." That -- you look at your -- you look at the book of Leviticus and see what it says there. And this author of this said, "well 'vomit out' means you are not able to defend yourself." But have we found we are unable somehow to defend ourselves against some of the attacks that are coming against us, either by terrorists or now by natural disaster? Could they be connected in some way?


Robertson clearly implies that both 9-11 and Katrina are punishments from God. Anything else you would like to be wrong about, Khross?

Edit - Oh, I forgot this little gem.

Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson wrote:
JERRY FALWELL: And I agree totally with you that the Lord has protected us so wonderfully these 225 years. And since 1812, this is the first time that we've been attacked on our soil and by far the worst results. And I fear, as Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense, said yesterday, that this is only the beginning. And with biological warfare available to these monsters -- the Husseins, the Bin Ladens, the Arafats -- what we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact -- if, in fact -- God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.

PAT ROBERTSON: Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population.

JERRY FALWELL: The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this.

PAT ROBERTSON: Well yes.

JERRY FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."

PAT ROBERTSON: Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. And so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do. And, the top people, of course, is the court system..

JERRY FALWELL: Pat, did you notice yesterday the ACLU and all the Christ-haters, People For the American Way, NOW, etc. were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress as they went out on the steps and called out on to God in prayer and sang "God Bless America" and said "let the ACLU be hanged". In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time - calling upon God. ~~~

PAT ROBERTSON: > Amen

Author:  Rafael [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:46 pm ]
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Who cares what he thinks about the victims? Did he not help them? Did he impede help getting to them?

Author:  Khross [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:58 am ]
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Montegue:

Still hasn't said what you're claiming.

Author:  Amanar [ Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:25 am ]
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Um, what crime was committed here? An adult jerked off on his webcam to another adult. There were no minors involved. There's no victim.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:32 am ]
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Amanar wrote:
Um, what crime was committed here? An adult jerked off on his webcam to another adult. There were no minors involved. There's no victim.


One adult did so believeing that he was doing so to a minor. That's a crime. It's already been explained why. There doesn't need to be a specific person who is a victim for a crime to have been committed; in any crime society is always a victim regardless of whether a specific person is.

Author:  Corolinth [ Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:35 am ]
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While I do realize he's automatically guilty because he's a sick bastard who jerked off on a webcam, it's still in question as to whether he believed he was jerking off for a minor.

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