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Author:  Beryllin [ Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:27 pm ]
Post subject:  It appears that Brown won

Looks like they're calling the race for Brown.

Gotta be a lot of Democrats looking at this closely.

Author:  Uncle Fester [ Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: It appears that Brown won

They will not, the leadership will blame Coakley, and rightly so, she ran a horrible campaign, she ran like she felt she was entitled to the seat. All politics are local don't you know...except when they are not.

All in all, it is in my opinion a perfect storm occurrence. A horrific candidate vs a decent one, with national mood having a thumb on the scales. In all a tremendous upset win for Brown. I am sure there will be many involved legal challenges, and an attempt to delay seating him.

Author:  Beryllin [ Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: It appears that Brown won

Uncle Fester wrote:
They will not, the leadership will blame Coakley, and rightly so, she ran a horrible campaign, she ran like she felt she was entitled to the seat. All politics are local don't you know...except when they are not.

All in all, it is in my opinion a perfect storm occurrence. A horrific candidate vs a decent one, with national mood having a thumb on the scales. In all a tremendous upset win for Brown. I am sure there will be many involved legal challenges, and an attempt to delay seating him.


I dunno about legal challenges, the race wasn't close enough for any real chance of success there.

Author:  DFK! [ Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:46 pm ]
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Does this mean the Republicans get to be all "elections have consequences" when Brown votes against the healthcare reform bill?

Not that I want them to, but if that's the ethical standard we're using... :P

Author:  Monte [ Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:31 am ]
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Well, they could do that, but they will sound like total idiots given that the Democrats still hold an 18 seat majority.

Not that it matters anymore, mind you. The new constitutional requirement for anything to get done in the senate is apparently 60 votes.

Author:  Beryllin [ Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:51 am ]
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Monte wrote:
Well, they could do that, but they will sound like total idiots given that the Democrats still hold an 18 seat majority.

Not that it matters anymore, mind you. The new constitutional requirement for anything to get done in the senate is apparently 60 votes.


Apparently so. Seems to me that the senate is rarely at or above a 60-40 split, yet work continues. Maybe, though, work in a bipartisan manner depends on the issue being dealt with is more centrist, rather than far Left or far Right. Apparently, Republicans know that this far Left stuff isn't gonna fly at home. Some of the Democrats are also finding this out, such as when Nelson was boo'd out of a restaurant in Nebraska.

Author:  Monte [ Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:37 am ]
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Heheh. Work does not continue. The only thing that gets done in the senate is corporate control of our legislation.

I'm amazed at how important bipartisanship is to Republicans when they are in the minority, and how irrelevant it is to them when they are in the majority.

Author:  Beryllin [ Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:45 am ]
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Monte wrote:
Heheh. Work does not continue. The only thing that gets done in the senate is corporate control of our legislation.

I'm amazed at how important bipartisanship is to Republicans when they are in the minority, and how irrelevant it is to them when they are in the majority.


Wrong spin, this time. The Republicans can be bi=partisan- when the issue is something that will fly back home. Apparently, they finally remembered that they were elected to represent us out here. I'd venture they forgot it for awhile.

What you don't seem to understand, Monte, is that if it was a far Right agenda being shoved down the country's throat by radical elements in the Republican party, the Democrats are not going to be in a bi-partisan mood, either. And that's as it should be!

Author:  Dash [ Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:59 am ]
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Forget bipartisan, if the bill was popular they could pass it. It's not, so they cant. Bush rammed through tax cuts, Obama wants to ram through a titanic bill during high unemployment and an economic downturn. A bill that nobody likes even though most cant tell you exactly what's in it.

Author:  Screeling [ Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:13 am ]
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Monte wrote:
... but they will sound like total idiots given that the Democrats still hold an 18 seat majority.

For now...

Author:  Beryllin [ Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: It appears that Brown won

I am seeing editorials this morning on conservative sites that I really, REALLY hope the Republicans are reading and taking to heart.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/01/ ... obama-gop/

Seriously. The Republicans had better read such opinions and carefully consider them. They have yet to prove that they understand why they got such a huge boot from the electorate recently, and if they think they can have a "business as usual" attitude because Brown won, they are gonna get a huge surprise.

Author:  Rynar [ Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:24 pm ]
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For the record, Republicans should not take this as a sign that they are earning political capital. Quite the contrary, this was the work of independents. If you don't believe me, look west to the McCain campaign in Arizona, where the entrenched DC politician is already beginning a fearful campaign against a true libertarian conservative. he's so scared infact, that he has enlisted Mrs. Palin to begin his early campaigning with him.

Author:  Screeling [ Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:58 pm ]
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You talking about J.D. Hayworth? What's funny about that is Hayworth hasn't even thrown his hat in the ring. Yet a poll done up in the Phoenix area with Hayworth's name in the mix shows him dominate McCain. We so need to kick that cranky old man out.

Author:  Rynar [ Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:02 pm ]
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Screeling wrote:
You talking about J.D. Hayworth? What's funny about that is Hayworth hasn't even thrown his hat in the ring. Yet a poll done up in the Phoenix area with Hayworth's name in the mix shows him dominate McCain. We so need to kick that cranky old man out.


Yuppers. I like Hayworth, and the insider buzz has him holding off on his intentions until he can capitalize on his anouncement, so while his hat isn't in the ring yet it's in the air above it. At this point it's just a matter of political gravity.

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:28 pm ]
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Monte wrote:
Heheh. Work does not continue. The only thing that gets done in the senate is corporate control of our legislation.

I'm amazed at how important bipartisanship is to Republicans when they are in the minority, and how irrelevant it is to them when they are in the majority.


Interesting. The Republicans haven't had 60 seats since what, the 1920s? And they've managed to get stuff done. Democrats have gotten things done as well in the past. Dems are just crying now because they can't get their bills passed now. What's that tell you about their bills? Perhaps that they are 1000+ pages of crap?

Author:  Diamondeye [ Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: It appears that Brown won

Well, you forgot to use the right terms.

When Republicans get things done, it's "ramming their agenda through".

When Democrats get things done, it's "following a mandate"

When Republicans can't get things done it's "failure to be Bipartisan"

When democrats can't, it's "Republicans only caring about Bipartisanship when they're in the minority" and "obstructionism"

Author:  Screeling [ Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:51 am ]
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Rynar wrote:
Screeling wrote:
You talking about J.D. Hayworth? What's funny about that is Hayworth hasn't even thrown his hat in the ring. Yet a poll done up in the Phoenix area with Hayworth's name in the mix shows him dominate McCain. We so need to kick that cranky old man out.


Yuppers. I like Hayworth, and the insider buzz has him holding off on his intentions until he can capitalize on his anouncement, so while his hat isn't in the ring yet it's in the air above it. At this point it's just a matter of political gravity.

Yeah. Hayworth kicks total ***. Not just one cheek, but the whole thing.

Oh yeah, there's this article too. Basically, McCain is proving he is not at all in line with local conservatives. Honestly, I'm glad he's doing this. McCain has been part of the problem for a long time. If Hayworth throws in and wins, we'll have two good senators.

http://www.gilacourier.com/?p=5197
Quote:
Still upset at the unanimous rejection of their hand-written AZGOP Victory Plan, supporters of John McCain continue to wage war on the Arizona Republican Party and its chairman, Randy Pullen.
The newest attack seeks to maximize the damage from news releases concerning documents that were stolen from the AZGOP HQ that detail invoices and account information. Some have claimed that the documents reveal some sort of illicit financial activity while party officials have stated that the stolen documents were nothing more than the usual invoices, many of which had already been paid. Media accounts also seemed to confuse state and federal expenses and wondered aloud why state expenses were not being shown on FEC reports.

Enter new Yuma County Chairman Phil Townsend and his cheap lettuce-picking labor friends, along with a prominent lobbying firm with McCain connections. Townsend has put his signature to a letter that was sent to all State Executive Committee members accusing Pullen and party counsel Lee Miller of various ethical breaches and lies. He is also calling for a “fraud audit” (which the party would have to pay for) and questions the credibility of the party.
All of which might have sounded credible had his act stopped there. But like all things McCain, it didn’t.

The same letter was then reproduced and appears to have been sent to every Precinct Committeeman in the state. Now this effort to stir up trouble is not an inexpensive effort. With nearly 4,000 PCs in the state, you might wonder at Mr. Townsend’s concern that he would spend nearly $2,000 just in postage to express it, especially to people who don’t even have a vote on the issue? Might his goal have been to simply blacken the eye of the State Party and its Chairman?
But we’re not sure that you need to worry about Townsend’s bank account. He was able to save a bunch of money by using the bulk mail permit that Veridus LLC uses for its clients. Why would a lobbying firm that relies on good relationships with Republican legislators, like Veridus, care to get involved? Well we can’t say for sure, but you could direct that question to Gibson McKay, the former McCain staffer who is their “campaign” guy. He would be able to detail the extent of their involvement and their reasons for it.

Still, even with the postage discount, packaging a mailer with several pages of inserts and getting a mail house to assemble it is going to set somebody back between $1,500 and $2,000 for the entire project.

Now who would spend $2,000 just to settle a grudge with a State Party that refused to back its self-serving Victory Plan?

Need another hint? As a county chairman, Mr. Townsend does not have a list of all of the PCs in the state, only some of the statewide candidates do. Does that help you to narrow down the list of suspects?

Yep, like they are so fond of saying, “The Mac is Back!”

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