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| Author: | Beryllin [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:08 pm ] |
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| Author: | TheRiov [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:14 pm ] |
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You know those preachers who set up children to marry 50 year old men claim they have the children's best interest in mind. Just sayin'... |
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| Author: | Müs [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:16 pm ] |
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TheRiov wrote: You know those preachers who set up children to marry 50 year old men claim they have the children's best interest in mind. Just sayin'... Not even remotely in the same ballpark. A group of aid workers taking a group of children somewhere they could be cared for in an earthquake ravaged landscape /= arranged child marriages. |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:18 pm ] |
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The articles I read indicated that they were specifically told that they needed the proper paperwork and without that what they were doing was illegal. They chose to ignore that information and are now paying the price. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:19 pm ] |
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Aizle wrote: The articles I read indicated that they were specifically told that they needed the proper paperwork and without that what they were doing was illegal. They chose to ignore that information and are now paying the price. I was about to post that both sides seem stupid, one for not obtaining paperwork, the other for penalizing attempts to help out. If what you say is correct, then they are idiots who deserve the charges. |
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| Author: | Rafael [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:19 pm ] |
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Seems like their intentions were in the right place, but they ignored the procedure and process to do it correctly. Hopefully get slapped with some technical punishment that more suits the crime. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:23 pm ] |
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Aizle wrote: The articles I read indicated that they were specifically told that they needed the proper paperwork and without that what they were doing was illegal. They chose to ignore that information and are now paying the price. Mind linking them?
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| Author: | Beryllin [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Haiti |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Haiti |
Beryllin wrote: They should have stayed home and let Haiti deal with it, rather than try to help. *shrug* Hopefully they'll come back wiser. Of course, nobody is obligated to help, but if they were so eager to help, what's the problem with actually obeying the law? I mean, taking a bunch of orphaned children across a national border without any paperwork or authorization is just dumb, even without having been told in advance what they'd need. If they had been told, and chose to ignore that, don't you think they sorta brought it on themselves? That said, if it appears they were just trying to help out a country in desperate need, I would hope that is taken into account in court. |
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| Author: | Rafael [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:28 pm ] |
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Talya's right. I would have also had them swallow balloons of powedered sugar and flour, that way they had a time release source of carbohydrates to sustain them for the long trip. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:29 pm ] |
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Rafael wrote: Talya's right. I would have also had them swallow balloons of powedered sugar and flour, that way they had a time release source of carbohydrates to sustain them for the long trip. Sugar and flour, eh? Is that what that stuff is? |
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| Author: | Beryllin [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:30 pm ] |
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| Author: | Rafael [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:32 pm ] |
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Talya wrote: Rafael wrote: Talya's right. I would have also had them swallow balloons of powedered sugar and flour, that way they had a time release source of carbohydrates to sustain them for the long trip. Sugar and flour, eh? Is that what that stuff is? Well yea, it has lots of calories and can be packed into a small volume. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:41 pm ] |
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Beryllin wrote: From what I can tell, the gov't of Haiti is kinda in a shambles as it is. Sometimes, you have to act now and sort out the legalities later. IMO, if those in charge of Haiti now understood that, they'd work with the group rather than charging them. That being the political climate in Haiti now, I feel it correct for Christian groups to get out and let Haiti deal with it themselves. Perhaps. Although evidently the government of Haiti is not in quite as much of a shambles as these people thought it was. Very Christian of you to suggest that due to a government decision you disagree with, the children of haiti should have to fend for themselves, though. Also, I approve of the anarchic leanings you're demonstrating. There's hope for you yet. |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:41 pm ] |
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Khross wrote: Aizle wrote: The articles I read indicated that they were specifically told that they needed the proper paperwork and without that what they were doing was illegal. They chose to ignore that information and are now paying the price. Mind linking them?I'm coming to really hate CNN's new website setup. I'm pretty sure that was where I read the one that mentioned them being told about paperwork, but now I can't find it again. This is the closest I was able to come across. One distrubing thing in this article is that it mentions that the group claims they though all the children were orphans, but apparently that's not true. Some of the kids are hollering that they aren't orphans and to call their parents, etc. http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/ ... cnnSTCText If I stumble across the other one I saw before I'll post it. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Haiti |
Aizle: No biggie; I just want more stuff to read. |
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| Author: | Müs [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:47 pm ] |
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Khross wrote: Aizle: No biggie; I just want more stuff to read. Literature whore. |
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| Author: | Beryllin [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:53 pm ] |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:01 pm ] |
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Nevermind that almost 100% of the nation of Haiti--including the government--are also christian (that is, assuming you recognize catholics as christian) you're somehow making this a Christians vs. the Romans deal, huh? |
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| Author: | Stathol [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:04 pm ] |
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Beryllin wrote: From what I can tell, the gov't of Haiti is kinda in a shambles as it is. Sometimes, you have to act now and sort out the legalities later. IMO, if those in charge of Haiti now understood that, they'd work with the group rather than charging them. To a point, I'm willing to agree. But put yourself in the position of the border personnel and the judge involved. How do you know that these people are who they claim to be? Do you want to be the guy who lets 30 kids get abducted out-of-country by a group of foreign nationals, just because they "had an honest face", so to speak? Haiti is, as you say chaotic -- even before the quake. It wouldn't surprise me if child slave trafficking has been a real problem there. In the end analysis, trying to take a bunch of children out of the country without permission shows a serious lapse of judgement by Silsby, or whoever was in charge. I don't have a great deal of faith in the Haitian government, but it's not as though they were just rounding up random Christian aid workers and arresting them for no reason. In any case, while I certainly wouldn't hold it against anyone for getting out of a situation that puts their own lives/futures at risk, I don't remember Jesus saying "feed my sheep ... unless it will get you arrested". |
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| Author: | Rynar [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:06 pm ] |
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Aizle wrote: The articles I read indicated that they were specifically told that they needed the proper paperwork and without that what they were doing was illegal. They chose to ignore that information and are now paying the price. I don't understand, on either side of the political spectrum, why people insist on demanding that law, solely for the sake of law, is expected to trump basic human survival instinct for the people who are simply trying to survive, and this is somehow held up as a shining example of extreme moral rectitude in their resective political camps. It bothers me to no end when so called conservatives blame an individual for fleeing here to our country, in order to earn a living that can support their family and pay for medicine at a degree unavailable in there own country. When in doing so they wrongfully restrict that individual's natural right of travel, and resign him and his children to a life of poverty when all he wants to do is work. This instance bothers me for almost exactly the same reasons. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Haiti |
Stathol wrote: How do you know that these people are who they claim to be? Duh. They're christian! |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:07 pm ] |
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Rynar wrote: I don't understand, on either side of the political spectrum, why people insist on demanding that law, solely for the sake of law, is expected to trump basic human survival instinct for the people who are simply trying to survive, and this is somehow held up as a shining example of extreme moral rectitude in their resective political camps. And so you expect law to step aside because of unsubstantiated claims that the children needed this to survive? |
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| Author: | Rynar [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:09 pm ] |
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Ask the children. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:10 pm ] |
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Rynar wrote: Ask the children. Children will say what they are told to say. Err. Sometimes. Othertimes they'll say things you really didn't want them to say, that give entirely the wrong impression.... ...maybe they DID ask the children. |
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