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Author:  Rafael [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Johns Hopkins student kills apparent burglar with sword
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/15/sam ... pstoryview

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(CNN) -- A Johns Hopkins University student killed an apparent burglar with a samurai sword after discovering the man in his garage, police said Tuesday.

Baltimore, Maryland, police received a phone call shortly before 1:30 a.m. Tuesday about a suspicious person, and an off-duty officer arrived at the scene with campus security, city police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said.

When authorities arrived, they heard calls for help and for police, he said. They discovered a suspected burglar with a severed left hand and severe lacerations to his upper body, Guglielmi said.

The suspect died at the scene, he said.

The man had entered a home where several Johns Hopkins students lived, Guglielmi said. Four students, one armed with a samurai sword, had confronted the suspect in the garage.

The man "lunged" at the students, and the student with the sword defended himself, severing the man's left hand and cutting his upper body, Guglielmi said.

Police did not release the name of the suspect, who Guglielmi said had a long criminal history, or that of the student.

Police questioned the three witnesses, Guglielmi said, and released them. It was not immediately clear whether all four students lived at the house, he said.

Authorities are determining whether the student will face criminal charges, Guglielmi said.

Burglars had taken two laptops and a Sony PlayStation from the students' home Monday, Guglielmi said.

The burglary suspect had been released from prison Saturday, Guglielmi said.


Straight cut-and-paste. Man, Baltimore is **** up.
Author:  Müs [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:11 pm ]
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Hell yeah!

We need sword legislation! Keep those dangerous things out of the hands of citizens so noone else gets hurt!
Author:  Sean [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:14 pm ]
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More detailed article:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla ... ?track=rss

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Police have also not formally released the name of the suspected burglar, but a department source identified the man as Donald D. Rice, 49, of the 600 block of E. 27th St. in Baltimore. Guglielmi said the suspect had 29 prior convictions for crimes such as breaking and entering, and had been released Saturday from the Baltimore County Detention Center after he was arrested by county police in August 2008 for stealing a car in Baltimore. Rice was found guilty in December on one count of unauthorized removal of property, and he was sentenced to 18 months in prison.


Sounds like he got what was coming to him.

Thankfully MD has castle laws so our ninja hero shouldn't be charged with any bullshit.
Author:  Müs [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:19 pm ]
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Sean wrote:
More detailed article:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla ... ?track=rss

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Police have also not formally released the name of the suspected burglar, but a department source identified the man as Donald D. Rice, 49, of the 600 block of E. 27th St. in Baltimore. Guglielmi said the suspect had 29 prior convictions for crimes such as breaking and entering, and had been released Saturday from the Baltimore County Detention Center after he was arrested by county police in August 2008 for stealing a car in Baltimore. Rice was found guilty in December on one count of unauthorized removal of property, and he was sentenced to 18 months in prison.


Sounds like he got what was coming to him.

Thankfully MD has castle laws so our ninja hero shouldn't be charged with any bullshit.


How can you say he got what is coming to him? He's just an innocent victim in all of this. He certainly didn't deserve to die for petty theft.
Author:  Sean [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:24 pm ]
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Müs wrote:
How can you say he got what is coming to him? He's just an innocent victim in all of this.


Pretty easily my good sir!

"He got what was coming to him" - there you go! He lunged at a dude carrying a **** sword. That's basically Darwinning yourself.

On the other hand, perhaps he was just trying to commit seppuku.
Author:  Müs [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:25 pm ]
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The easy answer to all this is a ban on all swords over a certain length... say 13" or so. Noone needs one of those for anything. They're just implements for killing people, and have no other practical use.
Author:  Raziel6K [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:27 pm ]
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Müs wrote:
Sean wrote:
More detailed article:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla ... ?track=rss

Quote:
Police have also not formally released the name of the suspected burglar, but a department source identified the man as Donald D. Rice, 49, of the 600 block of E. 27th St. in Baltimore. Guglielmi said the suspect had 29 prior convictions for crimes such as breaking and entering, and had been released Saturday from the Baltimore County Detention Center after he was arrested by county police in August 2008 for stealing a car in Baltimore. Rice was found guilty in December on one count of unauthorized removal of property, and he was sentenced to 18 months in prison.


Sounds like he got what was coming to him.

Thankfully MD has castle laws so our ninja hero shouldn't be charged with any bullshit.


How can you say he got what is coming to him? He's just an innocent victim in all of this. He certainly didn't deserve to die for petty theft.


Judging from the stories quoted, the assailant both chose to trespass and when discovered chose to attack one of the residents who was armed with a deadly weapon. So not so much on the innocent but not necessarily deserving of death for the infraction. Though I'm very partial to my Playstation as well and would defend it. :)
Author:  Elmarnieh [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:27 pm ]
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Go go sword guy!
Author:  Raziel6K [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Johns Hopkins student kills apparent burglar with sword
Have they confirmed that it wasn't a cardboard tube samurai?
Author:  Hokanu [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:27 pm ]
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Müs wrote:
The easy answer to all this is a ban on all swords over a certain length... say 13" or so. Noone needs one of those for anything. They're just implements for killing people, and have no other practical use.


Suspect is not dead. You're kidding about the sword thing right?
Author:  Vindicarre [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:32 pm ]
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Of course not, what other purpose does a sword over 13'' serve than to kill a human being? It was specifically designed for that purpose and is amazingly efficient at it.
Author:  Uinan [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:57 pm ]
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29 convictions and then lunges at a man wielding a sword?

Yeah, I'm with Sean. He had it coming out of sheer stupidity.
Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:09 pm ]
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Too awesome. :)
Author:  Rafael [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:25 pm ]
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I feel that campuses should be sword free enviroments. Swords and other bladed assault weapons should be carefully regulated and issued only to permit holders who qualify on a "may issue" basis State-to-State. Swords shall be serial numbered with stamped engraving (even collector items) exempting swords which can be Grandfathered in under a reasonable time-frame (say anything at least from the 16 Century or older). Removing the engraving shall be a felony offense punishable by not more than 10 years and/or $25,000 and the serial numbers shall be used to construct a database of sword owners.

Certain particularly sharp or deadly swords shall not be able to be privately owned without a special collectors permit. These swords shall be kept by dealers who have been issued a Federal permit which lisences them to sell and transfer swords between owners. The collector permit shall be issued only to those who can justify legitmate collector needs. Example of such swords may be authentic pre-Meiji Restoration era Katanas, anything Chinese, Machetes or other crudely effecient swords, sword issued various militaries as weapons or tools, lasers or other light-bladed weapons, and any sword modeled after a fictional sword.

Sword sales between private entities without background checks at so-called sword shows needs careful attention to make sure loons aren't able to circumvent sword purchase requirements.
Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:43 pm ]
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Rafael wrote:
I feel that campuses should be sword free enviroments. Swords and other bladed assault weapons should be carefully regulated and issued only to permit holders who qualify on a "may issue" basis State-to-State. Swords shall be serial numbered with stamped engraving (even collector items) exempting swords which can be Grandfathered in under a reasonable time-frame (say anything at least from the 16 Century or older). Removing the engraving shall be a felony offense punishable by not more than 10 years and/or $25,000 and the serial numbers shall be used to construct a database of sword owners.

Certain particularly sharp or deadly swords shall not be able to be privately owned without a special collectors permit. These swords shall be kept by dealers who have been issued a Federal permit which lisences them to sell and transfer swords between owners. The collector permit shall be issued only to those who can justify legitmate collector needs. Example of such swords may be authentic pre-Meiji Restoration era Katanas, anything Chinese, Machetes or other crudely effecient swords, sword issued various militaries as weapons or tools, lasers or other light-bladed weapons, and any sword modeled after a fictional sword.

Sword sales between private entities without background checks at so-called sword shows needs careful attention to make sure loons aren't able to circumvent sword purchase requirements.


We can get lightsabers?!?

COOL!!!
Author:  Lenas [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:15 pm ]
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He got what was coming to him. Did he deserve to die for a petty theft? Probably not. Does someone deserve to live after 29 other convictions? Probably not.
Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:23 pm ]
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2 laptops and a Sony playstation probably exceeds the value for petty theft.

In any case, he didn't die for the theft; he died because he assaulted a visibly armed man.
Author:  Hannibal [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:32 pm ]
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29 times the justice system failed the public. I'm glad this unreformable thief didn't get to go for 30.

On a positive note, the victim severed the left hand and got the upper body- thats tough to do! Go go mall ninja!
Author:  Monte [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:50 pm ]
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Not hard to make a cut do that. He probably just swung when the guy lunged.
Author:  Hannibal [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:59 pm ]
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Monte wrote:
Not hard to make a cut do that. He probably just swung when the guy lunged.


I'm impressed he has a sword that was in a condition to do that. Even at the wrist I figure that would be a tough cut to make. I've maybe two long blades that I feel could do that, and they are never gonna get that dirty!
Author:  Colphax [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:15 pm ]
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Hannibal wrote:
29 times the justice system failed the public. I'm glad this unreformable thief didn't get to go for 30.

On a positive note, the victim severed the left hand and got the upper body- thats tough to do! Go go mall ninja!


I'm not the expert on swordfighting that Monte is, but I did study shinkendo for half a year. The easier cuts are at 45 degree angles, making a cut at the juncture of the shoulder and neck an easier target--but it's also a sudden, deadly cut if it lands. I'm wondering how much training the guy had, and if he pulled anything back trying to not kill the burglar at once.
Author:  Raell [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:22 pm ]
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Did he deserve to die? Nope. Do I feel bad that he is dead? Nope. Dude was a special kind of stupid. I just hope mister ninja doesn't get time over this.
Author:  Hokanu [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:59 pm ]
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Guess he did die. Last line cornfuzzled me.
Author:  Rafael [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:59 pm ]
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Diamondeye wrote:
Rafael wrote:
I feel that campuses should be sword free enviroments. Swords and other bladed assault weapons should be carefully regulated and issued only to permit holders who qualify on a "may issue" basis State-to-State. Swords shall be serial numbered with stamped engraving (even collector items) exempting swords which can be Grandfathered in under a reasonable time-frame (say anything at least from the 16 Century or older). Removing the engraving shall be a felony offense punishable by not more than 10 years and/or $25,000 and the serial numbers shall be used to construct a database of sword owners.

Certain particularly sharp or deadly swords shall not be able to be privately owned without a special collectors permit. These swords shall be kept by dealers who have been issued a Federal permit which lisences them to sell and transfer swords between owners. The collector permit shall be issued only to those who can justify legitmate collector needs. Example of such swords may be authentic pre-Meiji Restoration era Katanas, anything Chinese, Machetes or other crudely effecient swords, sword issued various militaries as weapons or tools, lasers or other light-bladed weapons, and any sword modeled after a fictional sword.

Sword sales between private entities without background checks at so-called sword shows needs careful attention to make sure loons aren't able to circumvent sword purchase requirements.


We can get lightsabers?!?

COOL!!!


Yes, but they are the most unwieldy and "indiscriminantly" deadly of all. Afterall, once the blade is emitted, the lack of weight save for the haft, creates a severe hazard to the general public by endangering bystanders during an act of self-defense. This is what qualifies them to be controlled by the more stringent collector's permit.
Author:  Hokanu [ Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:01 pm ]
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Ahh. I'm a bit slow on the uptake today.

*ahem* Yes Swords should be banned! I have one. Ill turn it in to the local authorities asap.
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