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Author: | Hopwin [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:13 am ] |
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35511567/ns ... parenting/ Quote: CHICAGO - When 4-year-old Eric Stavros Adler choked to death on a piece of hot dog, his anguished mother never dreamed that the popular kids' food could be so dangerous. Some food makers including Oscar Mayer have warning labels about choking, but not nearly enough, says Joan Stavros Adler, Eric's mom. The American Academy of Pediatrics agrees. The nation's largest pediatricians group is calling for sweeping changes in the way food is designed and labeled to minimize children's chances for choking. Choking kills more than 100 U.S. children 14 years or younger each year and thousands more — 15,000 in 2001 — are treated in emergency rooms. Food, including candy and gum, is among the leading culprits, along with items like coins and balloons. Of the 141 choking deaths in kids in 2006, 61 were food-related. Surveillance systems lack detailed information about food choking incidents, which are thought to be underreported but remain a significant and under-appreciated problem, said Dr. Gary Smith, director of the Center for Injury Research and Policy at Nationwide Children's Hospital in Columbus, Ohio. Smith is lead author of a new policy report from the pediatrics academy that seeks to make choking prevention a priority for government and food makers. The report was released Monday in the journal Pediatrics. Doctors say high-risk foods, including hot dogs, raw carrots, grapes and apples — should be cut into pea-sized pieces for small children to reduce chances of choking. Some say other risky foods, including hard candies, popcorn, peanuts and marshmallows, shouldn't be given to young children at all. Federal law requires choking warning labels on certain toys including small balls, balloons and games with small parts. Unless food makers voluntarily put more warning labels on high-risk foods, there should be a similar mandate for food, the pediatrics academy says. Adler, a Warren, N.J. attorney who pushed for more warning labels after her son died in 2001, says she hopes the academy's efforts will work. Several efforts to pass federal legislation for labels have failed in Congress. The group also urges the Food and Drug Administration to work with other government agencies to establish a nationwide food-related choking reporting system; and to recall foods linked with choking. The academy says the food industry should avoid shapes and sizes that pose choking risks. Something as simple as making lollipops flat like a silver dollar instead of round like a pingpong ball can make a big difference, said Bruce Silverglade, legal affairs director at the Center for Science in the Public Interest, which also has lobbied for more attention to choking prevention. Grocery Manufacturers Association spokesman Scott Openshaw declined to say whether food makers would consider warning labels or new designs, but said making parents aware of choking dangers is key to keeping kids safe. Openshaw said the industry would continue working with the FDA and USDA "to ensure that our products are as safe as possible." At the FDA, spokeswoman Rita Chappelle said the agency will review the academy's analysis and recommendations. She said the FDA also would continue consulting with the Consumer Product Safety Commission on assessing choking hazards associated with food and take action on a case-by-case basis. Adler considered herself educated about children's safety. Her son had eaten hot dogs before without any problem. Hot dogs are "almost as American as apple pie," she said. "You really don't know how horrible it can be." Really? Food needs a choking hazard warning label now? Remind me to invest in tiny choking hazard stickers for apples & other fruits and veggies that don't come packaged. Truly I feel bad for the child since he caught what should have been his mother's Darwin Award for not knowing you can choke on food. |
Author: | FarSky [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:19 am ] |
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Quote: Some food makers including Oscar Mayer have warning labels about choking, but not nearly enough, says Joan Stavros Adler, Eric's mom. *sigh* |
Author: | Ladas [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:23 am ] |
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Clearly the problem stems from lack of warning about the dangers of living outside the womb. Now, where should we attach the warning label... |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:30 am ] |
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Staple it to her uterus. |
Author: | Dash [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:38 am ] |
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Sad that the child died. Believe me as a parent of an almost 2 year old, tapping into your paternal fear works. So as ridiculous as it sounds I dont doubt that some parents will over react. Her child was 4 years old, he could have choked on anything. To be cutting all his food into pea sized bites seems absurd at that age. While it's crazy and frustrating to see a push for legislation on this, overall I feel bad for that woman. |
Author: | Ladas [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:41 am ] |
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I agree with your post Dash. |
Author: | shuyung [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:47 am ] |
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Oh, that kind of choking. |
Author: | Hopwin [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:16 pm ] |
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Possible solution: Maybe they can hire the 12 yr old doodler to write choking hazard on all produce. |
Author: | Timmit [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:20 pm ] |
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So they're saying that the food industry should put a choking hazard label on any food that is small enough to fit in your face but larger than a pea or any food larger than that size range that can be cut into a smaller pieces? So...what, watermelons, butterball turkeys, and sides of beef should all be labeled? I think our gov't needs to pass a law that allows us to punch anyone who tries to get legislation like this passed... |
Author: | FarSky [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:29 pm ] |
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This is a terrible tragedy that her child died, don't get me wrong. But my question is "How did someone who didn't know that any solid food that you eat can possibly choke you manage to procreate?" |
Author: | Foamy [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:38 pm ] |
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Horrible that her child died, but I think people seem to have the idea that there HAS to be someone to blame. No one wants to take the responsibility for their own actions and want to place the blame elsewhere. Possibly also win a lawsuit for big $$$ while they are at it. It's not my fault he choked, it was obviously Oscar Mayer's fault for not letting me, the consumer, know that this is a hazard. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:05 pm ] |
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It's not anyone's fault he choked. That's what makes it even mroe absurd than normal; there is no responsibility for anyone to take. This is just another distraught mom and some busybodies actaing as if the government needs to make a statistically insginificant issue a "priority". |
Author: | Dash [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:27 pm ] |
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FarSky wrote: This is a terrible tragedy that her child died, don't get me wrong. But my question is "How did someone who didn't know that any solid food that you eat can possibly choke you manage to procreate?" Yeah she knew, it's just that he's obviously a wreck over it. Someone probably told her (true or not) that hot dogs are "high risk" whatever that means (again, true or not) and that's all you need sometimes when a tragedy hits. "My child would be alive if only I had known that" and then of course to deal with that you need to make it "They should have warned me". Whoever "they" is. At least, that's my take on it. |
Author: | Taskiss [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:28 pm ] |
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Foamy wrote: Horrible that her child died, but I think people seem to have the idea that there HAS to be someone to blame. No one wants to take the responsibility for their own actions and want to place the blame elsewhere. Possibly also win a lawsuit for big $$$ while they are at it. Going through all this could be a method of atonement. Sorta like they know they didn't do enough for their kid so they're making it up by making sure the rest of the world knows.It's not my fault he choked, it was obviously Oscar Mayer's fault for not letting me, the consumer, know that this is a hazard. Guilt can make people do funny things. |
Author: | darksiege [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:34 pm ] |
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Some bint does not pay attention to her kid choking and this is someone else's problem how? I feel for the woman that her kid died; but if she needs a warning for something like this... She needs to be slapped upsire the back of the head. |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:07 pm ] |
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FarSky wrote: This is a terrible tragedy that her child died, don't get me wrong. But my question is "How did someone who didn't know that any solid food that you eat can possibly choke you manage to procreate?" Lots of stupid people have sex. The real question is how somebody who didn't know that passed the bar. |
Author: | Corolinth [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:12 pm ] |
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Clearly, not enough 4 year-olds choked to death on hot dogs twenty to thirty years ago. |
Author: | DFK! [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:41 pm ] |
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Corolinth wrote: Clearly, not enough 4 year-olds choked to death on hot dogs twenty to thirty years ago. +1 |
Author: | Stathol [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:41 pm ] |
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I may not agree with the exact call of action she raises, but that said... Dash wrote: Someone probably told her (true or not) that hot dogs are "high risk" whatever that means (again, true or not) and that's all you need sometimes when a tragedy hits. Uh, yeah...about that: believe it or not, hot dogs actually are a high-risk food for choking. It's surprising how few people, including parents of young children, are aware of this. By way of example, it certainly seems that no one in this thread knew it. So she's right on that score, at least. There's definitely a lack of awareness about this particular issue, and more parents do need to be made aware of it. Many (perhaps most) experts now recommend that you avoid giving your children hot dogs entirely until at least the age of 5 or 6. If you feel you absolutely must before then, they need to be cut into much smaller pieces than you would think. The problem is that hot dogs swell as you eat them, especially if they get caught in your throat. This makes them a deceptively larger choking hazard than other foods. A similarly sized piece of anything else wouldn't completely constrict the airway. The child would simply start coughing and the food would eventually be dislodged. But once a piece of hot dog starts to swell, it can prevent the child from being able to cough at all. This is doubly-dangerous because A) if they can't cough, then they can't breathe, and B) if they can't cough, there's no audible sign of distress to the parents. The reality is that by age 3 or 4, even thoroughly responsible parents are not going to maintain total visual contact with their child 100% of the time during every meal. TL;DR: Don't underestimate the lethality of hot dogs. Seriously. :/ |
Author: | Ladas [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:08 pm ] |
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Stathol wrote: By way of example, it certainly seems that no one in this thread knew it. What an assinine assumption based upon the comments in this thread... |
Author: | Corolinth [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:25 pm ] |
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They can't be that lethal. In the United States alone there are 300 million people. If a hundred die from choking on hot dogs every year, and 15,000 more have to go to the hospital, that means they're a nonissue. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:34 pm ] |
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Corolinth wrote: They can't be that lethal. In the United States alone there are 300 million people. If a hundred die from choking on hot dogs every year, and 15,000 more have to go to the hospital, that means they're a nonissue. QFT. Not only that, but it's 100 and 15,000 from choking in general, not specifically from hot dogs. This issue is so insignificant as to be unworthy of news coverage, much less government action. |
Author: | Hopwin [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:45 pm ] |
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Diamondeye wrote: Corolinth wrote: They can't be that lethal. In the United States alone there are 300 million people. If a hundred die from choking on hot dogs every year, and 15,000 more have to go to the hospital, that means they're a nonissue. QFT. Not only that, but it's 100 and 15,000 from choking in general, not specifically from hot dogs. This issue is so insignificant as to be unworthy of news coverage, much less government action. But surely you concede it is significant enough to warrant moral outrage. |
Author: | Khross [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:06 pm ] |
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Hopwin wrote: Diamondeye wrote: Corolinth wrote: They can't be that lethal. In the United States alone there are 300 million people. If a hundred die from choking on hot dogs every year, and 15,000 more have to go to the hospital, that means they're a nonissue. QFT. Not only that, but it's 100 and 15,000 from choking in general, not specifically from hot dogs.This issue is so insignificant as to be unworthy of news coverage, much less government action. |
Author: | Stathol [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:12 pm ] |
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Corolinth wrote: They can't be that lethal. In the United States alone there are 300 million people. If a hundred die from choking on hot dogs every year, and 15,000 more have to go to the hospital, that means they're a nonissue. Well ****, I've seen the light. Only around 600 people die from electrocution per year in the U.S., and the vast majority of those were adults. To hell with putting outlet covers all over the place, then. It's a huge pain in the ***, and I'm sure my nephew will be perfectly fine without them. Statistically, it's a non-issue. |
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