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Author: | Adrak [ Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | New Bill for Indefinite Detention of Belligerents |
Senators McCain And Lieberman Introduce Bill To Authorize Indefinite Detention aclu Quote: A bill introduced today in the Senate would hand the government the power to indefinitely detain terrorism suspects without charge or trial, dealing a swift blow to due process and the rule of law. The Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention and Prosecution Act of 2010, introduced by Senators John McCain (R-AZ) and Joseph Lieberman (I-CT), would also create an entirely new system of interrogation by requiring intelligence officials to be consulted about how to handle terrorism suspects after their capture. The bill was precipitated by misguided objections to the Obama administration’s correct decision to charge accused Christmas Day attacker Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab in the criminal court system. The legislation would have a “high value detainee” team, made up of members of different intelligence agencies, interrogate and determine whether alleged terrorist suspects are “unprivileged enemy belligerents.” If so, and if the suspect is then charged, the legislation would mandate the use of the discredited and unconstitutional military commissions. This appears to drop the "alien" designation that was found in the Military Commissions Act of 2009 and also gives the President the ability to designate any person a "high value detainee" based on suspicion. Nice. |
Author: | Micheal [ Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:13 pm ] |
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McCain and Lieberman? Wow, just wow. How far the mighty have fallen. |
Author: | darksiege [ Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:15 pm ] |
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Holy ****; both of these people need to look at what the hell they are suggesting. |
Author: | Rorinthas [ Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New Bill for Indefinite Detention of Belligerents |
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s3081/text Text of bill. I'm not happy about the underwear bomber being tried in criminal court as per our previous discussion, but i'm not sure this is the answer either. |
Author: | Wwen [ Sun Mar 14, 2010 5:56 pm ] |
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Micheal wrote: McCain and Lieberman? Wow, just wow. How far the mighty have fallen. Yeah, the landing off that 2 inch high soap box, must have sprained his ankle. I'm sure the Democrats will let it go through in the name of bipartisanship in the middle of the night with no media coverage. |
Author: | Screeling [ Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:02 pm ] |
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I'm hoping his opponent in the primary, JD Hayworth, has a field day with this one. |
Author: | Elmarnieh [ Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:06 pm ] |
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This is bipartisanship people. |
Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:12 pm ] |
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I'll have to look into this further, but I think both just lost all my support. |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:26 am ] |
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Arathain Kelvar wrote: I'll have to look into this further, but I think both just lost all my support. Neither had ever had any of mine (well, except for my mild approval at Lieberman telling his party to **** off and running as an independent) to begin with -- they're both scary-ass people. |
Author: | Hopwin [ Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:05 am ] |
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Does this law also apply to belligerent drunks? If so then I am onboard. |
Author: | Aizle [ Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:33 am ] |
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Elmarnieh wrote: This is bipartisanship people. Lieberman is anything but a democrat. |
Author: | Adrak [ Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:38 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: New Bill for Indefinite Detention of Belligerents |
Rorinthas wrote: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s3081/text Text of bill. Here are the points I see as being worse than the existing Military Commissions Act, emphasis mine. Quote: (2) CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION OF INDIVIDUALS AS HIGH-VALUE DETAINEES- The regulations required by this subsection shall include criteria for designating an individual as a high-value detainee based on the following: (A) The potential threat the individual poses for an attack on civilians or civilian facilities within the United States or upon United States citizens or United States civilian facilities abroad at the time of capture or when coming under the custody or control of the United States. (B) The potential threat the individual poses to United States military personnel or United States military facilities at the time of capture or when coming under the custody or control of the United States. (C) The potential intelligence value of the individual. (D) Membership in al Qaeda or in a terrorist group affiliated with al Qaeda. (E) Such other matters as the President considers appropriate. Quote: SEC. 5. DETENTION WITHOUT TRIAL OF UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENTS.
An individual, including a citizen of the United States, determined to be an unprivileged enemy belligerent under section 3(c)(2) in a manner which satisfies Article 5 of the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War may be detained without criminal charges and without trial for the duration of hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners in which the individual has engaged, or which the individual has purposely and materially supported, consistent with the law of war and any authorization for the use of military force provided by Congress pertaining to such hostilities. |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:49 am ] |
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Screeling wrote: I'm hoping his opponent in the primary, JD Hayworth, has a field day with this one. You know, I think he's got his own mouth to worry about: J.D. Hayworth: 'You could marry your horse' Quote: Former Rep. J.D. Hayworth (R-Ariz.) said Sunday that the expansion of state laws allowing gay marriage could lead to people marrying horses.
Hayworth, during an interview with an Orlando, Fla., radio station explained: "You see, the Massachusetts Supreme Court, when it started this move toward same-sex marriage, actually defined marriage — now get this — it defined marriage as simply, 'the establishment of intimacy.'" "Now how dangerous is that?" asked Hayworth, who is challenging Sen. John McCain from the right in Arizona's GOP Senate primary. "I mean, I don't mean to be absurd about it, but I guess I can make the point of absurdity with an absurd point," he continued. "I guess that would mean if you really had affection for your horse, I guess you could marry your horse." The former Republican congressman then insisted that the "only way" to prevent men from marrying horses is to create a federal marriage amendment. Hayworth noted that he supports such an amendment. In fact, the 2003 Massachusetts Supreme Court ruling striking down a ban on gay marriage defined marriage as "the voluntary union of two persons as spouses, to the exclusion of all others." |
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