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The year is 2013, and in a unheard of show of bi-partisanship, the congress and president have signed the Khross Education Act. The law appoints Khross as the new Education Czar, with unlimited power to reform the public education system within the US, literally providing a blank slate with which to rebuild the crumbling education system. Fox News airs a short piece with a White House aid mumbling some conspiracy theory about Doombots, but the bit is ridiculed by the mainstream media and the aid is publicly fired the next day.

What do you do?

Aizle wrote:

Do you want a serious answer to this question?

Khross wrote:

Aizle wrote:

Do you want a serious answer to this question?

I'm going to guess "resigns because he opposes having unelected Czars".

Ok, fair enough. Let's make it easier for you then. No requirements or restrictions. Whatever you think would make the best education system.

Aizle wrote:

Ok, fair enough. Let's make it easier for you then. No requirements or restrictions. Whatever you think would make the best education system.

One problem I see with this request is, from what I understand, Khross believes all children should be homeschooled.

Aizle wrote:

Ok, fair enough. Let's make it easier for you then. No requirements or restrictions. Whatever you think would make the best education system.

One problem I see with this request is, from what I understand, Khross believes all children should be homeschooled.

/tweak

Holy crap Taly, did you just write a rebuttal of your own interpretation of Khross' stance on education? :lol:

Are we really argueing about Khross' stance on education reform before he's actually stated it?

I'm not saying whether he's wrong or right, I'm saying the entire concept of Khross designing an "educational system from the ground up" is incompatible with Khross's views of the ideal educational "system," since there would be no "system" to speak of. That would be like asking Beryllin to set up his ideal abortion clinic.

Author:	Aizle [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:32 am ]
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The year is 2013, and in a unheard of show of bi-partisanship, the congress and president have signed the Khross Education Act. The law appoints Khross as the new Education Czar, with unlimited power to reform the public education system within the US, literally providing a blank slate with which to rebuild the crumbling education system. Fox News airs a short piece with a White House aid mumbling some conspiracy theory about Doombots, but the bit is ridiculed by the mainstream media and the aid is publicly fired the next day. What do you do?

Author:	Khross [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:05 am ]
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Aizle wrote: The year is 2013, and in a unheard of show of bi-partisanship, the congress and president have signed the Khross Education Act. The law appoints Khross as the new Education Czar, with unlimited power to reform the public education system within the US, literally providing a blank slate with which to rebuild the crumbling education system. Fox News airs a short piece with a White House aid mumbling some conspiracy theory about Doombots, but the bit is ridiculed by the mainstream media and the aid is publicly fired the next day. What do you do? Do you want a serious answer to this question?

Author:	Diamondeye [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:07 am ]
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Khross wrote: Aizle wrote: The year is 2013, and in a unheard of show of bi-partisanship, the congress and president have signed the Khross Education Act. The law appoints Khross as the new Education Czar, with unlimited power to reform the public education system within the US, literally providing a blank slate with which to rebuild the crumbling education system. Fox News airs a short piece with a White House aid mumbling some conspiracy theory about Doombots, but the bit is ridiculed by the mainstream media and the aid is publicly fired the next day. What do you do? Do you want a serious answer to this question? I'm going to guess "resigns because he opposes having unelected Czars".

Author:	RangerDave [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:08 am ]
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Khross wrote: Do you want a serious answer to this question? Can't speak for Aizle, but I'd like to hear a serious answer. Of course, I'd also enjoy hearing an answer involving Doombots....

Author:	Khross [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:12 am ]
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Diamondeye wrote: Khross wrote: Aizle wrote: The year is 2013, and in a unheard of show of bi-partisanship, the congress and president have signed the Khross Education Act. The law appoints Khross as the new Education Czar, with unlimited power to reform the public education system within the US, literally providing a blank slate with which to rebuild the crumbling education system. Fox News airs a short piece with a White House aid mumbling some conspiracy theory about Doombots, but the bit is ridiculed by the mainstream media and the aid is publicly fired the next day. What do you do? Do you want a serious answer to this question? I'm going to guess "resigns because he opposes having unelected Czars". That's most likely what I would do, seeing as how I find the notion of an expansive and unchecked executive highly problematic. However, I think the real question is, despite the narrative embedding, happens to be: "Khross, how would change education in the United States?" or "What needs to change with education in the United States?"

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Author:	Aizle [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:19 am ]
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You are correct on your suspicions. I put together a fantastical explaination for how it might occur, but I would actually like an honest answer. You have complete and total authority to create a K-12 education system from scratch. What would your ideal system look like?

Author:	Khross [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:22 am ]
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Aizle: First, we actually need to hammer out your requirements, since K-12 presupposes a set of restrictions and limitations I would not personally impose. So, give me your expected framework.

Author:	Aizle [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:37 am ]
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Ok, fair enough. Let's make it easier for you then. No requirements or restrictions. Whatever you think would make the best education system.

Author:	Talya [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:10 am ]
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Aizle wrote: Ok, fair enough. Let's make it easier for you then. No requirements or restrictions. Whatever you think would make the best education system. One problem I see with this request is, from what I understand, Khross believes all children should be homeschooled.

Author:	Hopwin [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:13 am ]
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Talya wrote: Aizle wrote: Ok, fair enough. Let's make it easier for you then. No requirements or restrictions. Whatever you think would make the best education system. One problem I see with this request is, from what I understand, Khross believes all children should be homeschooled. I thought Khross felt that education is a privilege not a right?

Author:	LadyKate [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:21 am ]
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Being homeschooled is a privilage.

Author:	Diamondeye [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:36 pm ]
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Talya wrote: Aizle wrote: Ok, fair enough. Let's make it easier for you then. No requirements or restrictions. Whatever you think would make the best education system. One problem I see with this request is, from what I understand, Khross believes all children should be homeschooled. How is that a problem? If that's how he thinks it should work, that's how he thinks it should work. Presumably he has an opinion more detailed than that; some sort of minimum standards or something.

Author:	Talya [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:40 pm ]
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The problem is Khross's solution requires no government oversite and, in fact, no government action whatsoever. There would be no coordination, no setting up of an "educational system," so therefore, he could not be appointed or elected to a government position where he could set this up, since there is nothing for government to set up. I believe Khross's only action would be to completely eliminate government involvement or funding in education whatsoever. The rest is just letting the society take over the role as they see fit, without government interference. I'm not saying whether he's wrong or right, I'm saying the entire concept of Khross designing an "educational system from the ground up" is incompatible with Khross's views of the ideal educational "system," since there would be no "system" to speak of. That would be like asking Beryllin to set up his ideal abortion clinic.

Author:	Hopwin [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:48 pm ]
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/tweak Holy crap Taly, did you just write a rebuttal of your own interpretation of Khross' stance on education?

Author:	LadyKate [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:49 pm ]
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Speaking of Bery, is he coming back? I kinda miss him.

Author:	Talya [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:05 pm ]
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Hopwin wrote: /tweak Holy crap Taly, did you just write a rebuttal of your own interpretation of Khross' stance on education? No. It was an answer to Diamondeye's "How is that a problem?" question. It's not necessarily a problem results-wise (because I'm not getting into this argument.) It's a problem in that it's a self-contradiction. Khross can't design a "perfect educational system" because he doesn't believe in a perfect world there would be an "educational system." I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I've had enough discussions with him to accurately find the request posed in the original post self-defeating. As a side point: Whatever the "best" system might be, I think Americans on all sides of the issue are looking in the wrong places for solutions. Other countries get far better results out of their public educational systems than America does, and other countries often spend less on their public educational systems than America does (per capita.) This is neither a funding issue, nor an issue of government involvement simply not working. This is an issue of poor implementation compounded by cultural issues.

Author:	Micheal [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:58 pm ]
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Medium bag of popcorn, just a little butter please.

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Author:	Stathol [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:02 pm ]
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Or we could just let Khross tell us what his opinion is That said.., Talya wrote: One problem I see with this request is, from what I understand, Khross believes all children should be homeschooled. I don't think this is accurate. He believes that the current data establishes that homeschooling (on the whole) is providing a superior quality of education and socialization than the public school system. I've never heard him say that all children should (or ought) to be homeschooled. In particular, I don't his opinion of American private schools in general. Some are probably excellent and some are probably no better than the average public school. I don't know where the entire group as a whole hangs in the balance. For that matter, I don't really know his opinion of public schools as a general principle. At the state, rather than federal level, that is. I'm pretty sure I can make a reasonable guess what he thinks about federal education mandates

Author:	Khross [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:10 pm ]
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I can, however, indicate what the problems with the current system happen to be. Unfortunately, they have very little to do with government, regulations, or funding.

Author:	Rynar [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:32 pm ]
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Are we really argueing about Khross' stance on education reform before he's actually stated it?

Author:	Taskiss [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:39 pm ]
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Rynar wrote: Are we really argueing about Khross' stance on education reform before he's actually stated it? Much easier that way, don't you think? Kinda hard to argue what he would say after he says it. Not impossible, mind you... not here, anyway, but still.

Author:	Aizle [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:42 pm ]
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Rynar wrote: Are we really argueing about Khross' stance on education reform before he's actually stated it? Well, at the Glade more than anywhere, you're guilty until proven innocent.

Author:	Talya [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:58 pm ]
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Rynar wrote: Are we really argueing about Khross' stance on education reform before he's actually stated it? Khross didn't contradict me!

Author:	Stathol [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:30 pm ]
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Rynar wrote: Are we really argueing about Khross' stance on education reform before he's actually stated it? I think Khross would disagree with this.

Author:	Imperi [ Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:51 pm ]
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Talya wrote: I'm not saying whether he's wrong or right, I'm saying the entire concept of Khross designing an "educational system from the ground up" is incompatible with Khross's views of the ideal educational "system," since there would be no "system" to speak of. That would be like asking Beryllin to set up his ideal abortion clinic. This analogy doesn't hold up because Khross is an educator.