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Can this be real? Living off the state in the UK
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Author:  Dash [ Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Can this be real? Living off the state in the UK

Reads like an Onion piece:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... cedes.html

Quote:
Why work when I can get £42,000 in benefits a year AND drive a Mercedes?

By Paul Sims
Last updated at 3:38 PM on 13th April 2010

The Davey family's £815-a-week state handouts pay for a four-bedroom home, top-of-the-range mod cons and two vehicles including a Mercedes people carrier.

Father-of-seven Peter gave up work because he could make more living on benefits.

Yet he and his wife Claire are still not happy with their lot.

With an eighth child on the way, they are demanding a bigger house, courtesy of the taxpayer.

'It's really hard,' said Mrs Davey, 29, who is seven months pregnant. 'We can't afford holidays and I don't want my kids living on a council estate and struggling like I have.

'The price of living is going up but benefits are going down. My carer's allowance is only going up by 80p this year and petrol is so expensive now, I'm worried how we'll cope.

'We're still waiting for somewhere bigger.'

Mrs Davey has never had a full-time job while her 35-year-old husband gave up his post in administration nine years ago after realising they would be better off living off the state.

At their semi on the Isle of Anglesey, the family have a 42in flatscreen television in the living room with Sky TV at £50 a month, a Wii games console, three Nintendo DS machines and a computer - not to mention four mobile phones.

With their income of more than £42,000 a year, they run an 11-seater minibus and the seven-seat automatic Mercedes.

But according to the Daveys they have nothing to be thankful for.

'It doesn't bother me that taxpayers are paying for me to have a large family,' added Mrs Davey.

'We couldn't afford to care for our children without benefits, but as long as they have everything they need, I don't think I'm selfish.

'Most of the parents at our kids' school are on benefits.'

She added: 'I don't feel bad about being subsidised by people who are working. I'm just working with the system that's there.

'If the government wants to give me money, I'm happy to take it. We get what we're entitled to. I don't put in anything because I don't pay taxes, but if I could work I would.'

The couple met in a pub 13 years ago. A year later, at the age of 17, Mrs Davey gave birth to Jessica, now 12.

She was followed by Jade, ten, Jamie-Anne, eight, Harriet, six, Adele, four, the couple's only son Tie, three, and Mercedes, two.

'It cost too much to carry on working as we were actually better off unemployed,' said Mr Davey.

In addition to income support, housing benefit, child tax credits and a council tax discount, the couple receive carer's allowance and disability living allowance for Tie, who suffers from a severe skin disorder.

Despite filing for bankruptcy 18 months ago after racking up £20,000 of debt on mail order catalogues they still insist on splashing out on four presents per child at birthdays and last Christmas spent £2,000 on gifts alone.

'Santa is always generous in our house,' said Mrs Davey, who once applied to join the police but was turned down.

She insists her husband would do any job 'as long as we could still afford the lifestyle we have now'.

Mrs Davey, who spends £160 a week at Tesco, says she does not intend to stop at eight children. Her target is 14.

And she adds: 'I've always wanted a big family - no one can tell me how many kids I can have whether I'm working or not.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z0l2bU4jcB

Author:  Lydiaa [ Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:25 pm ]
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It's real.

I would make more off the government if i had 8 kids here than if I continued working.... of course I'd commit suicide if I had 8 kids.

There will always be people out there who'd smooch off the system, but it's getting harder and harder.

Author:  Müs [ Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:32 pm ]
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Cut em off, award the kids to fosters.

Author:  Elmarnieh [ Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:16 pm ]
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I don't think you can even award children to really good beer Mus.

Author:  Lydiaa [ Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:31 pm ]
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fosters is not really good beer >.<

Author:  Micheal [ Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:59 pm ]
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/agree Lydiaa

Author:  Müs [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:39 am ]
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Fosters is Love in a Canoe Beer.

Author:  darksiege [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:51 am ]
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Fosters.. Australian for Dumb Americans will drink it if we make it sound good.

Author:  Timmit [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:31 am ]
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darksiege wrote:
Fosters.. Australian for Dumb Americans will drink it if we make it sound good.

No dumber than Germans who drink Budweiser because it's imported...

Author:  Hopwin [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:08 am ]
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Or Americans who drink Budweiser (or more specifically Bud Light) ;)

Author:  Lex Luthor [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:50 am ]
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Hire an au pair.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:54 am ]
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It's like they took this right out of the Honor Harrington series... only in that series it's "France" that does this and "England" that doesn't.

Author:  darksiege [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:59 am ]
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Timmit wrote:
darksiege wrote:
Fosters.. Australian for Dumb Americans will drink it if we make it sound good.

No dumber than Germans who drink Budweiser because it's imported...


I could be wrong... but I was told Budweiser in Germany is a completely different creature from what is sold in the States...

Author:  Rafael [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:57 pm ]
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There is another company that brews Budweiser in the Czech Republic (Budweiser Budvar). Otherwise, AB goes to great lengths to preserve their recipe over the years and from brewery to brewery.

They even have cryogenically frozen beers from different years which they thaw out at to ensure the recipe is consistent from year to year ... obviously, these beers only date back so far. I have from the 1984 at home.

Author:  Aizle [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:28 am ]
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Rafael wrote:
They even have cryogenically frozen beers from different years which they thaw out at to ensure the recipe is consistent from year to year ... obviously, these beers only date back so far. I have from the 1984 at home.


The fact that you can freeze a beer and then thaw it an have it taste the same just shows how shitty a beer it is in the first place. Real beers made with good ingredients and natural processes will spoil over time.

It's like being impressed that you take a twinkie that was made 30 years ago tastes as good as one made yesterday. That just ain't right...

Author:  Ladas [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:52 am ]
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1) Cryogenically frozen materials are so cold the aging/decay process is greatly reduced, so while spoiling is still occurring, it is over a greatly extended period of time.

2) It doesn't say to compare to taste, but to compare ingredients, which logically would follow taste, but if they are only double checking the % hops, etc, it doesn't matter how the frozen/thawed beer would taste.

Not saying that AB makes a great beer or defending their quality, but your reasoning there is flawed.

Author:  Aegnor [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:02 am ]
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The most popular beer in Ireland is Budweiser, which just seems so wrong, considering all the great beer they've got there.

Author:  Aizle [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:08 am ]
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Ladas wrote:
1) Cryogenically frozen materials are so cold the aging/decay process is greatly reduced, so while spoiling is still occurring, it is over a greatly extended period of time.

2) It doesn't say to compare to taste, but to compare ingredients, which logically would follow taste, but if they are only double checking the % hops, etc, it doesn't matter how the frozen/thawed beer would taste.

Not saying that AB makes a great beer or defending their quality, but your reasoning there is flawed.


I misspoke. It's not so much that the freezing process prevents spoiling, it's that the freezing process affects the flavor of ingredients. Nothing that is frozen tastes exactly the same as something fresh. Compare fresh corn to frozen corn for example. They are NOT of the same quality. That Budweiser has somehow been able to create a beer that tastes the same after it's been frozen is not something to be proud of, it's something to be horrified by.

I guess I assumed that they were performing taste tests, but I suppose if it's just throwing it into a mass spectrometer that's something else. But still in my mind somewhat unappealing. Stagnant things are dead things.

Author:  Vindicarre [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:18 am ]
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Diamondeye wrote:
It's like they took this right out of the Honor Harrington series... only in that series it's "France" that does this and "England" that doesn't.

Oh, it's happening in France too.

Aizle:
Since both Raf, and Ladas explicitly stated it was the recipe, not the taste, I really don't know why you're going on about taste, or why you'd assume taste tests. Yeah, we get your point, the beer you prefer is much superior.

edit: ahh, now you've you added the "spectrometer" bit.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:15 pm ]
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Vindicarre wrote:
Diamondeye wrote:
It's like they took this right out of the Honor Harrington series... only in that series it's "France" that does this and "England" that doesn't.

Oh, it's happening in France too.

Aizle:
Since both Raf, and Ladas explicitly stated it was the recipe, not the taste, I really don't know why you're going on about taste, or why you'd assume taste tests. Yeah, we get your point, the beer you prefer is much superior.

edit: ahh, now you've you added the "spectrometer" bit.


Because everyone thinks their beer is superior. It shows a complete lack of any sort of ball sack not to proclaim the virtue of one's preferred brew over all others.

Of course, he's still wrong because Great Lakes Dortmunder Gold is the champion of all beers. :mrgreen:

Author:  Screeling [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:55 pm ]
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Diamondeye wrote:
Of course, he's still wrong because Great Lakes Dortmunder Gold is the champion of all beers. :mrgreen:

Isn't that Miller High Life? Oh wait...

Author:  Vindicarre [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:35 pm ]
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You are correct, Miller High Life is the Champaign of Beers, good sir!

DE, what does it show when you quietly shake your head and drink your damn beer? Image

Author:  Hopwin [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:29 pm ]
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Diamondeye wrote:
Vindicarre wrote:
Diamondeye wrote:
It's like they took this right out of the Honor Harrington series... only in that series it's "France" that does this and "England" that doesn't.

Oh, it's happening in France too.

Aizle:
Since both Raf, and Ladas explicitly stated it was the recipe, not the taste, I really don't know why you're going on about taste, or why you'd assume taste tests. Yeah, we get your point, the beer you prefer is much superior.

edit: ahh, now you've you added the "spectrometer" bit.


Because everyone thinks their beer is superior. It shows a complete lack of any sort of ball sack not to proclaim the virtue of one's preferred brew over all others.

Of course, he's still wrong because Great Lakes Dortmunder Gold is the champion of all beers. :mrgreen:


Ugh you should hang out with my brother you two would get along famously. Give me Chimay any day.

Also, why would you need to freeze the beer to check to see if you followed the same recipe? It has to be for tasting.

Author:  Ladas [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:07 pm ]
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Hopwin wrote:
Also, why would you need to freeze the beer to check to see if you followed the same recipe? It has to be for tasting.

To stop the natural break down of the ingredients that would mask their nature or percentage, introduce new chemicals via oxidation, etc.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:15 pm ]
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Vindicarre wrote:
You are correct, Miller High Life is the Champaign of Beers, good sir!

DE, what does it show when you quietly shake your head and drink your damn beer? Image


That you're thirsty.

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