Vindicarre wrote:
What, a communist Czar? Lol
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| Author: | Aegnor [ Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:51 pm ] |
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/03/green-jobs-advisers-past-stir-trouble-white-house-critical-time/ I'm amazed that some people are stupid enough to believe the 9/11 truther garbage. I'm even more shocked that Obama would select one of them for his advisor. |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:00 pm ] |
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Quote: "I met all these young radical people of color -- I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was like, 'This is what I need to be a part of,'" he said in a 2005 interview with the East Bay Express. Jones told the newspaper he stayed in San Francisco, and for the next 10 years worked with a lot of the people he met in jail. Months after the King verdict came down, Jones said, "I was a communist." Awesome sauce. |
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| Author: | Vindicarre [ Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:50 pm ] |
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What, a communist Czar? Lol |
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| Author: | Aegnor [ Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:48 pm ] |
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Vindicarre wrote: What, a communist Czar? Lol
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:12 pm ] |
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This goes much further than that. Do some youtube searches for the guys and check out his comments at powershift (we don't just need new power we need a whole new system), about how white polluters are purposely dropping toxins on minorities, And about calling the republicans A-holes and blaming their being A-holes on why the democrats can't pass anything with 60 votes. This guy is scary and I don't want him advising my President. |
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| Author: | DFK! [ Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:34 pm ] |
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Rorinthas wrote: This goes much further than that. Do some youtube searches for the guys and check out his comments at powershift (we don't just need new power we need a whole new system), about how white polluters are purposely dropping toxins on minorities, And about calling the republicans A-holes and blaming their being A-holes on why the democrats can't pass anything with 60 votes. This guy is scary and I don't want him advising my President. Good thing for Nobama that what you want doesn't matter, then; since you don't elect czars and the Constitution doesn't provide for them, there's no oversight, no impeachment, and no way to get rid of them. |
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| Author: | Screeling [ Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:11 am ] |
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DFK! wrote: Rorinthas wrote: This goes much further than that. Do some youtube searches for the guys and check out his comments at powershift (we don't just need new power we need a whole new system), about how white polluters are purposely dropping toxins on minorities, And about calling the republicans A-holes and blaming their being A-holes on why the democrats can't pass anything with 60 votes. This guy is scary and I don't want him advising my President. Good thing for Nobama that what you want doesn't matter, then; since you don't elect czars and the Constitution doesn't provide for them, there's no oversight, no impeachment, and no way to get rid of them. That would have been cooler stated as a Fun Fact. |
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| Author: | DFK! [ Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:16 am ] |
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Screeling wrote: DFK! wrote: Rorinthas wrote: This goes much further than that. Do some youtube searches for the guys and check out his comments at powershift (we don't just need new power we need a whole new system), about how white polluters are purposely dropping toxins on minorities, And about calling the republicans A-holes and blaming their being A-holes on why the democrats can't pass anything with 60 votes. This guy is scary and I don't want him advising my President. Good thing for Nobama that what you want doesn't matter, then; since you don't elect czars and the Constitution doesn't provide for them, there's no oversight, no impeachment, and no way to get rid of them. That would have been cooler stated as a Fun Fact. Hmm. Fun Fact: Czars are unelected and not provided for by the Constitution; therefore, there's no oversight, no impeachment, and no way for anybody but the President to get rid of them. So what you want doesn't matter! |
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| Author: | Rafael [ Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:31 pm ] |
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Also, since there is no Constitution the 22nd Amendment doesn't apply. And even if it did, we have to accept that the word "term" means a time when a president was elected and served during non-extraordinary circumstances. Which this clearly is and thus doesn't count as a "term." |
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| Author: | Hannibal [ Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:09 pm ] |
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I'm a bit curious as to how much is "too much" for people with these appointments and czars. I realize that most people just want the one button fix, and they felt by electing Barry and Co. from the Clinton dynasty they would get that. I see enough people still blaming the big R machine for stopping all the hearts and flowers and rainbows and kittens that will happen if we all just did what the Democrats wanted. I really don't get the ability to disconnect that these supporters have. Even the most rootin tootin american flag zuba wearin biblest thumpinist Bush supporter still began to question the direction the administration was going. All I see is the clinking of glasses as dose after dose of Kool Aid is downed. It's amazing. |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:50 pm ] |
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That is because Democrats do not want democracy. They want people to do what they are told by government that knows best. |
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| Author: | darksiege [ Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:08 pm ] |
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Hannibal wrote: All I see is the clinking of glasses as dose after dose of Kool Aid is downed. It's amazing. Spoiler: I for one welcome all of these mindless drones to go Jonestown. |
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| Author: | Hannibal [ Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:34 am ] |
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Death of a thousand cuts? http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-ge ... r.Resigns/ Obama 'green jobs' adviser quits amid controversy By WILL LESTER, AP 47 minutes ago WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama's environmental adviser Van Jones, who became embroiled in a controversy over past inflammatory statements, has resigned his White House job after what he calls a "vicious smear campaign against me." The resignation, announced early Sunday, came as Obama is working to regain his footing in the contentious health care debate. Jones, an administration official specializing in environmentally friendly "green jobs" with the White House Council on Environmental Quality was linked to efforts suggesting a government role in the 2001 terror attacks and to derogatory comments about Republicans. Jones issued an apology on Thursday for his past statements. When asked the next day whether Obama still had confidence in him, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said only that Jones "continues to work in the administration." The matter surfaced after news reports of a derogatory comment Jones made in the past about Republicans, and separately, of Jones's name appearing on a petition connected to the events surrounding the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. That 2004 petition had asked for congressional hearings and other investigations into whether high-level government officials had allowed the attacks to occur. "On the eve of historic fights for health care and clean energy, opponents of reform have mounted a vicious smear campaign against me," Jones said in his resignation statement. "They are using lies and distortions to distract and divide." Jones said he has been "inundated with calls from across the political spectrum urging me to stay and fight." But he said he cannot in good conscience ask his colleagues to spend time and energy defending or explaining his past. Jones flatly said in an earlier statement that he did not agree with the petition's stand on the Sept. 11 attacks and that "it certainly does not reflect my views, now or ever." As for his other comments he made before joining Obama's team, Jones said, "If I have offended anyone with statements I made in the past, I apologize." Despite his apologies, Republicans demanded Jones quit. Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana said in a statement, "His extremist views and coarse rhetoric have no place in this administration or the public debate." Missouri Sen. Christopher "Kit" Bond said Congress should investigate Jones's fitness for the job. Fox News Channel host Glenn Beck repeatedly denounced Jones after a group the adviser co-founded, ColorofChange.org, led an advertising boycott against Beck's show to protest his claim that Obama is a racist. James Rucker, the organization's executive director, has said Jones had nothing to do with ColorofChange.org now and didn't even know about the campaign before it started. Jones, well-known in the environmental movement, was a civil-rights activist in California before shifting his attention to environmental and energy issues. He is known for laying out a broad vision of a green economy. Conservatives have harshly criticized him for having left-wing political views. Nancy Sutley, chair of the council, said in a statement released early Sunday that she accepts Jones resignation and thanked him for his service. "Over the last six months, he had been a strong voice for creating jobs that improve energy efficiency and utilize renewable resources," she said. "We appreciate his hard work and wish him the best moving forward." ___ Associated Press writer Philip Elliott contributed to this report |
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| Author: | Slythe [ Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:36 am ] |
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Good riddance. |
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| Author: | Hannibal [ Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:43 am ] |
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"On the eve of historic fights for health care and clean energy, opponents of reform have mounted a vicious smear campaign against me," Jones said in his resignation statement. "They are using lies and distortions to distract and divide." This really bothers me. There are the videos of Van Jones saying his statements. There are his own words calling himself a radical communist. His name is on the "truther" petition. I don't see how there are lies and distortions. Why not show how these are "lies and distortions" rather then do what so many of this administration have done and just chicken poo your way out. No apoligies do not cover it. These politicians need to be held accountable for their words. |
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| Author: | Dash [ Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:08 pm ] |
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Yeah this guy is a nut. It was a nice slow lead up to this though, like a train wreck in 1/10th time. It's funny seeing him say he's being smeared now when it's his own words being displayed. I am sure he gets a lot of kudos from people in certain ideological segments, especially in his area of San Francisco, so he's probably not aware of how far out of touch he is. |
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| Author: | Midgen [ Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:45 pm ] |
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I just saw Howard Dean on TV saying this guy was railroaded and wasn't given a fair chance to defend himself. /laugh |
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| Author: | DFK! [ Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:49 pm ] |
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Midgen wrote: I just saw Howard Dean on TV saying this guy was railroaded and wasn't given a fair chance to defend himself. /laugh Ditto. I really like the "vicious smear campaign" line in the article. So, pointing out the truth [the he is unfit for office due to extremely radical views] is a "vicious smear?" |
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| Author: | Dash [ Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:58 pm ] |
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Yeah smeared with his own words. For shame. DFK makes the point I'm most annoyed at, being a "Czar" means never having to go before the senate to get appointed. It's a made up position with federal level power and no oversight. Even if you want to give President Obama a pass on not knowing this guy was a 9/11 truther and a radical (like Ayers, Wright and other associates of his), it's no excuse to bypass these checks. |
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| Author: | Hannibal [ Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:12 pm ] |
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and Obama just appointed another Czar. Why even have congress anymore? All these rules and regulations just seem to get in the way of the Democrats agenda. And somehow they can still blame Republicans for causing their plans to blow up. |
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| Author: | Screeling [ Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:16 pm ] |
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What power do these czars actually have though? Do they actually have any authority like cabinet positions do? Can they do anything other than verbally bully people and draw a government paycheck? |
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| Author: | darksiege [ Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:44 pm ] |
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I say we give these Czars 12 gauge oversight... If they screw up; send them to live with an armed member of the group they just flooped. |
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| Author: | Monte [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:48 am ] |
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DFK! wrote: Midgen wrote: I just saw Howard Dean on TV saying this guy was railroaded and wasn't given a fair chance to defend himself. /laugh Ditto. I really like the "vicious smear campaign" line in the article. So, pointing out the truth [the he is unfit for office due to extremely radical views] is a "vicious smear?" It is if you do it to right wing radio hosts. It is if you do it about President Bush, or any of his advisors, czars, or anyone associated with his administration. Good for goose=Good for gander? |
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| Author: | Monte [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:49 am ] |
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Screeling wrote: What power do these czars actually have though? Do they actually have any authority like cabinet positions do? Can they do anything other than verbally bully people and draw a government paycheck? I don't think they have any power, and I don't think you can rationally make the case that they are bullying people unless you can provide some evidence of that. I am pretty sure they serve as advisers. |
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| Author: | Ladas [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:29 pm ] |
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Monte wrote: That's just projection, though. A person doesn't like to have something unattractive about themselves pointed out, so they take it and place it on the shoulders of the person doing the pointing.
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