The Glade 4.0

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I can't believe they would be so full of hubris as to do this!

Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases. - Jefferson

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

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Holy shitsnacks!

Since we all know PA can launch spy satellites.

Seriously, where is this from? Did they actually make this or did someone fabricate it? This is just asking to get kicked in the nuts in the press.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Pennsylvania Dept of Revenue
The link to the TV ad is here:

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

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Memento Vivere

I have local knowledge.
That sandbar was not there yesterday!

Do do folks think that tax evaders shouldn't be tracked down?

I'm reserving comment on the actual layout/presentation of the ad for the moment.

Sadly, the entire point is that the government now finds it suitable to announce to us that we are living in an Orwellian police state and that they are watching us. Using this sort of intimidation tactic is the epitome of government gone too far.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Actually that would be the PA government.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

No ****? Really?

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Yes really. When you say "the government" it implies you mean the Federal government, especially when you say "we", as you're not, as far as I know, a resident of Pennsylvania.

There's a bad habit around here of objecting to what state governments do because the federal government shouldn't do it, or otherwise conflating the two. I don't think the PA government should be doing this, but the fact is that it's not "the government" unless we all happen to become PA residents. Even then "the state government" would be more accurate. People use "the government" to refer to the Federal government as a matter of custom.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

They are "the government". I capitalize "government" when referring to the Federal Government. In that case I use "the Government" as a matter of custom.


If someone sees a conflation of federal and state in a thread specifically about state, then it's obvious where the fault lies.

Anyone who is acquainted with the PA campaign is subject to the intended message of the campaign, whether they are residents of PA, or not; hence my use of the word "we".

If you would prefer to question where this came from and the semantics of my posts, rather than the amazing level of audacity it takes to present this campaign, thats fine, I understand your reticence.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

You didn't answer my question.

I can't believe people would be dumb enough to think the government (or Government) does not know where you live unless you are off-the-grid.

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It's one thing for such to be understood, but for it to be presented in such a fashion shows that they believe they control us, not the other way around, and they are happy to let us know. I guess that only bothers myself and a few others.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

So your problem is the explicit nature of the threat rather than the implicit nature?

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I've got a problem with the existence of the reality of governmental power; I'm aghast at their audacity.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

So government should be powerless? What exactly do you think it would be able to do then?

And you still haven't answered my question.

Am I misreading, or did you state that you have a problem with the government possessing power?

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False dilemma.

I, for one, disagree with our methods of taxation.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Hopwin, I have a problem with the level of power the government currently possesses, the reality of the situation. I apologize for the awful sentence I used to try to convey that sentiment.

Aizle:
I do my best to avoid participating in discussions in which the basis is a false dichotomy, especially when it wold obviously cause a massive deviation from my purpose for posting the topic.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Fair enough that you don't want a derail.

However, how you and Rynar are coming off is that you don't feel that you should have to follow a law that you don't agree with. I believe that is wrongheaded in our society.

Slavery was just?

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Fair point.

And an interesting connundrum. First, I would argue that the size/scope of the infringement is hugely different, but the core concept is the same.

So how do you deal with the need for society to have people basically follow the rules to survive as a society, with the fact that not everyone will like the rules or feel that they are just?

Should I go break into a liquor store and steal beer because I want to get it on Sunday but can't because of laws that I think are unjust? Should I stop paying taxes because I think we spend way too much on military spending? Should I go kill abortion doctors because I think they are killing babies?

Aizle, true, I don't want a derail, but more importantly (as threads go where they will, not where I demand them to go), you asked a question that created a false dichotomy that would lead us nowhere.

I don't know if it should just be chalked up to you viewing the world in a radically different way than I do that causes you to assign positions to me that I've never stated. It may be that you think because I have this belief, or that belief that makes my positions have to follow a script that tells you "those people" think this, therefore ... or if you just want to argue about something that's easy for you.

Do you really think I have stated that government should be powerless? If not, why ask:


My statement was about the reality] of governmental power; I know it wasn't the clearest of posts, but jumping from "reality" to "no" seems to be an attempt to paint me as asinine and clueless. I'm fully capable of doing that myself, but not if you don't give me the chance and assign me positions without my consent.
In any event, I ask you politely and sincerely to please respond to what I've posted, not what you "think" I mean.

If you would be so kind as to indulge me, please tell me what statement of mine led you to pose this:

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However, how you and Rynar are coming off is that you don't feel that you should have to follow a law that you don't agree with. I believe that is wrongheaded in our society.

If you even attempt to show me how the posts I've made would lead one to believe that I don't think I should pay taxes, or further, that I don't feel that I should have to follow any law I don't agree with, I'll be more than happy to give you my opinions on taxation, governmental power and the rule of law. Please use what I've [i]posted to show me.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

If it is the state government... I have less problems on it than if it were the fed.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
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