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Author: | Aegnor [ Tue May 18, 2010 7:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Muslim Student at David Horowitz talk supports genocide... |
David Horowitz at UC-San Diego [youtube]8fSvyv0urTE[/youtube] |
Author: | Khross [ Tue May 18, 2010 7:39 am ] |
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Man, you should have put this in the other thread. That girl is off her rocker; or, as is more likely the case, she's just trying to get her 15 minutes of fame by saying something outrageous in a political and academic venue. Of course, Horowitz is an antagonistic douchebag himself, having called the Muslim Student Association a splinter faction of the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda, and Hamas with the goal of radicalizing American college students. |
Author: | Dash [ Tue May 18, 2010 9:28 am ] |
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Here is the girls response: http://fortruthforjustice.wordpress.com ... itz-event/ Basically "I didnt hear him". I actually believe her that she's not a "Yeah lets round up the jews" type. She's more of a leftist "I hate the jews but I'd never SAY I hate jews, I'd just accuse them of being murderers, terrorists, fascists, land thieves etc etc for what they do to those poor palestinians who never have done anything wrong ever" types. |
Author: | Khross [ Tue May 18, 2010 9:43 am ] |
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Dashel: Who knows, but she's still off her rocker. The Youth Hitler Week thing was pretty stupid. |
Author: | RangerDave [ Tue May 18, 2010 9:58 am ] |
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Dash wrote: She's more of a leftist "I hate the jews but I'd never SAY I hate jews, I'd just accuse them of being murderers, terrorists, fascists, land thieves etc etc for what they do to those poor palestinians who never have done anything wrong ever" types. I don't think this is an accurate characterization of left-wing views, Dash. There's obviously a long and repugnant history of the far Left hating Jews, but they've never been shy about saying it out loud. The people on the left who would never say they hate Jews typically don't hate Jews. Many do criticize Israel in exaggerated terms, but strenuous criticism of the state of Israel is not the same thing as anti-Semitism, no matter how much the ADL and AIPAC would like to pretend it is. |
Author: | Dash [ Tue May 18, 2010 10:15 am ] |
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Yeah she's out there Khross, no argument. RD: You have to give me a little latitude in Hellfire on "leftist" or "left wing". I would say condemnation of Israel and favoring palestinian plights is definitely mainstream left wing. Former President Jimmy Carter mainstream anyway. But no, rank and file people who are center left wouldnt characterize themselves as hating jews. |
Author: | RangerDave [ Tue May 18, 2010 10:40 am ] |
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Dash wrote: I would say condemnation of Israel and favoring palestinian plights is definitely mainstream left wing. Former President Jimmy Carter mainstream anyway. Oh I don't disagree. I'm just saying that condemnation of Israel and favoring the Palestinians isn't the same as (or really even indicative of) anti-Semitism. Take me, for example - I think the Palestinian people have been terribly mistreated (though Hamas and the PA can kiss my *ss), that Israel's policies toward the conflict are largely illegitimate, and that political Zionism is an inherently racist philosophy. Yet I honestly don't have any anti-Semitic attitudes. There's just a clear, bright-line distinction in my mind between Jewish people and the state of Israel. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that's the mainstream left-wing mindset. |
Author: | Rynar [ Tue May 18, 2010 12:14 pm ] |
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Being anti-zionist /= being anti-semitic, no matter what Ben Stien says. |
Author: | Lenas [ Tue May 18, 2010 12:37 pm ] |
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Man, that video was funny. |
Author: | Dash [ Tue May 18, 2010 1:58 pm ] |
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RangerDave wrote: I'm just saying that condemnation of Israel and favoring the Palestinians isn't the same as (or really even indicative of) anti-Semitism. Let's call it a spectrum then. From "I disagree" and rational arguments to virulent hatred. |
Author: | Rynar [ Tue May 18, 2010 2:01 pm ] |
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Dash wrote: RangerDave wrote: I'm just saying that condemnation of Israel and favoring the Palestinians isn't the same as (or really even indicative of) anti-Semitism. Let's call it a spectrum then. From "I disagree" and rational arguments to virulent hatred. No. It isn't part of the same spectrum, because disagreement with zionism (which is tied to imperialism), has nothing at all to do with your feelings about Jews. |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Tue May 18, 2010 2:08 pm ] |
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Rynar wrote: Dash wrote: RangerDave wrote: I'm just saying that condemnation of Israel and favoring the Palestinians isn't the same as (or really even indicative of) anti-Semitism. Let's call it a spectrum then. From "I disagree" and rational arguments to virulent hatred. No. It isn't part of the same spectrum, because disagreement with zionism (which is tied to imperialism), has nothing at all to do with your feelings about Jews. Should have nothing at all to do with your feelings about Jews; for some, they're inextricable tied together |
Author: | Khross [ Tue May 18, 2010 2:09 pm ] |
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I seem to remember being called an anti-Semite more than once for questioning the secular State of Israel's policy regarding Palestinians and suggesting that North Dakota would have been a better location for the nation's creation. |
Author: | Rynar [ Tue May 18, 2010 2:11 pm ] |
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Vindicarre wrote: Rynar wrote: Dash wrote: Let's call it a spectrum then. From "I disagree" and rational arguments to virulent hatred. No. It isn't part of the same spectrum, because disagreement with zionism (which is tied to imperialism), has nothing at all to do with your feelings about Jews. Should have nothing at all to do with your feelings about Jews; for some, they're inextricable tied together For idiots, bigots, and zionists perhaps... but I refuse to work with the lowest common denominator, especially when it cheapens the conversation. |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Tue May 18, 2010 2:25 pm ] |
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/nodnod |
Author: | Aizle [ Tue May 18, 2010 2:36 pm ] |
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Khross wrote: I seem to remember being called an anti-Semite more than once for questioning the secular State of Israel's policy regarding Palestinians and suggesting that North Dakota would have been a better location for the nation's creation. LOL, I must have missed that one. That would have made growing up in Fargo more interesting... |
Author: | Dash [ Tue May 18, 2010 2:46 pm ] |
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A good article on this video: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/com ... 137.column Spoiler: |
Author: | Ladas [ Tue May 18, 2010 2:51 pm ] |
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Khross wrote: I seem to remember being called an anti-Semite more than once for questioning the secular State of Israel's policy regarding Palestinians and suggesting that North Dakota would have been a better location for the nation's creation. That badge for you had less to do with questioning Israel's policies and more to do with condemning them to live in ND. |
Author: | Dash [ Tue May 18, 2010 6:55 pm ] |
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Rynar wrote: Dash wrote: RangerDave wrote: I'm just saying that condemnation of Israel and favoring the Palestinians isn't the same as (or really even indicative of) anti-Semitism. Let's call it a spectrum then. From "I disagree" and rational arguments to virulent hatred. No. It isn't part of the same spectrum, because disagreement with zionism (which is tied to imperialism), has nothing at all to do with your feelings about Jews. Disagreeing with zionism is a reasonable position and no it doesnt mean you hate Jews. But when it comes to this kind of thing: http://zombietime.com/gaza_war_protest/ I'm kinda seeing an imbalance in perspective. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Tue May 18, 2010 6:57 pm ] |
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Ladas wrote: Khross wrote: I seem to remember being called an anti-Semite more than once for questioning the secular State of Israel's policy regarding Palestinians and suggesting that North Dakota would have been a better location for the nation's creation. That badge for you had less to do with questioning Israel's policies and more to do with condemning them to live in ND. Not to mention the fact that it's U.S. territory and we should never surrender any of it to another nation. Questioning Israel's policy towards Palestinians is perfectly understandable. |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Tue May 18, 2010 9:25 pm ] |
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"This endorsement of genocide brought to you by Aristotle." Okay, I lol'd at that. |
Author: | Aizle [ Wed May 19, 2010 12:05 pm ] |
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Diamondeye wrote: Ladas wrote: Khross wrote: I seem to remember being called an anti-Semite more than once for questioning the secular State of Israel's policy regarding Palestinians and suggesting that North Dakota would have been a better location for the nation's creation. That badge for you had less to do with questioning Israel's policies and more to do with condemning them to live in ND. Not to mention the fact that it's U.S. territory and we should never surrender any of it to another nation. I've aways been facinated why people in the U.S. are surprised by the Arab world feeling the same. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Wed May 19, 2010 1:08 pm ] |
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Aizle wrote: I've aways been facinated why people in the U.S. are surprised by the Arab world feeling the same. MAybe it's the fact that Palestine wasn't a nation at the time and no one told the Palestinians they had to leave. The plan was to create 2 nations out of that area, one Jewish and one Palestinian Arab. The Palestinians turned theirs down, left the other nation, and hoped the Arab nations would wipe out the Jewish one. Since that didn't work out, now they're complaining about haveing land stolen that they left in the first place. The entire areas has changed hands almost constantly throughout history. It's always had a great many Jews living there, and there was no particular reason it couldn't contain the Jewish state, except for the insistence of Palestinian Arabs that they had to have political control. |
Author: | Aizle [ Wed May 19, 2010 1:26 pm ] |
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Nice rationalization. |
Author: | Khross [ Wed May 19, 2010 2:15 pm ] |
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Diamondeye wrote: Aizle wrote: I've aways been facinated why people in the U.S. are surprised by the Arab world feeling the same. MAybe it's the fact that Palestine wasn't a nation at the time and no one told the Palestinians they had to leave. The plan was to create 2 nations out of that area, one Jewish and one Palestinian Arab. The Palestinians turned theirs down, left the other nation, and hoped the Arab nations would wipe out the Jewish one. Since that didn't work out, now they're complaining about haveing land stolen that they left in the first place. The entire areas has changed hands almost constantly throughout history. It's always had a great many Jews living there, and there was no particular reason it couldn't contain the Jewish state, except for the insistence of Palestinian Arabs that they had to have political control. |
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