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What percentage of slaves in the US and Con where freed by the EP?
100% 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
75% 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
50% 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
25% 14%  14%  [ 2 ]
0% 86%  86%  [ 12 ]
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:26 pm 
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Roughly how many slaves as percentage of existing slaves in the US and rebelling states were freed by the Emancipation Proclamation?

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None. It required the 13'th amendment.

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More than none, but certainly not half. So I picked 25. Iirc slaves in areas already conquered such as parts of Texas were releases a certain day in the middle of June. The anniversary celebration is called Juneteenth and is highly celebrated in some circles locally.

The EP only dealt with slaves in rebellion states and only as the states and the slaves themselves were captured by union forces. Slaves in northern slave states such as Kentucky and Maryland where out of luck until the passage of the 13 amendment.

Might I ask what you hope to accomplish by bringing this up?

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It also exempted slaves in areas controleld by Union armies at the time of its writing.

The goal is to see who knows real history versus popular history.

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Okay I goofed on that part. I couldn't remember how it fell. I just remember the whole Juneteenth thing being tied in as a big deal. I sort of payed attention in history class 15 years ago and our teacher actually made us read and study the EP beyond the popularized blurb about it being a document that "freed the slaves"

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Rynar wrote:
None. It required the 13'th amendment.


Although Lincoln did dictatorially enforce his decree prior to court action.

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Elmarnieh wrote:
Roughly how many slaves as percentage of existing slaves in the US and rebelling states were freed by the Emancipation Proclamation?


None of the above? It was about 1% I think. It depends on how you look at it, I guess. The only slaves that were freed were in Union-occupied territories outside the exempted areas of border states, soon-to-be WVA, and parts of Louisianna (maybe Texas?). Obviously, if the territory was still under Confederate control, no slaves were freed.

It eventually led to more freed slaves, as the Union gained control of additional area through war. Of course, it led to the complete abolishment of slaves throughout the US as well, through subsequent legislation.

So, IMO, the EP is responsible for 1%, or 100%, depending on which viewpoint you take (direct or indirect responsibility).


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Rynar wrote:
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None. It required the 13'th amendment.


Although Lincoln did dictatorially enforce his decree prior to court action.


I hear you, but it's not dictatorial enforcement. The southern states were not part of the United States, they were occupied territory under the jurisdiction of the US military.


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If the states were no longer part of the Union, it causes all kinds of other problems to that argument.


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Ladas wrote:
If the states were no longer part of the Union, it causes all kinds of other problems to that argument.


Such as?


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