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| Author: | Rynar [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | A favorite quote of mine: |
Dr. Adrian Rogers wrote: You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. Thoughts? |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:24 pm ] |
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His logic in this case is sound. I think even those in opposition understand this to a point. This why you see the demonization of those "fat cats who don't want to pay their fair share." |
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| Author: | Dash [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:44 pm ] |
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I think the key word there is legislate although I will admit I wonder what an absolute implementation of that ideal would mean exactly. |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:37 am ] |
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How could any sane person argue that they are entitled to the fruits of someone else's labors? |
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| Author: | Midgen [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:39 am ] |
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Hopwin wrote: How could any sane person argue that they are entitled to the fruits of someone else's labors? Eh.. it happens every day on this very board... |
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| Author: | Taskiss [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:57 am ] |
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Hopwin wrote: How could any sane person argue that they are entitled to the fruits of someone else's labors? My X-wives lawyers did so quite successfully. |
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| Author: | Xequecal [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:10 pm ] |
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Hopwin wrote: How could any sane person argue that they are entitled to the fruits of someone else's labors? So, you're saying you oppose any and all forms of taxation? |
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| Author: | Squirrel Girl [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:18 pm ] |
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Hopwin wrote: How could any sane person argue that they are entitled to the fruits of someone else's labors? People say that all the time about my work. |
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| Author: | Ladas [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:34 pm ] |
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Xequecal wrote: Hopwin wrote: How could any sane person argue that they are entitled to the fruits of someone else's labors? So, you're saying you oppose any and all forms of taxation? That's an absurd leap of logic. How did you derive that question from his comment? |
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| Author: | Xequecal [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:52 pm ] |
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All taxation is redistribution of wealth, and allows a person that does nothing to benefit from the labor of others that actually do something. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:53 pm ] |
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Xequecal wrote: All taxation is redistribution of wealth, and allows a person that does nothing to benefit from the labor of others that actually do something. You keep on thinking things like that, and the next thing we know you'll vote for Obama's re-election.
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| Author: | Elmarnieh [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:53 pm ] |
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Xequecal wrote: All taxation is redistribution of wealth, and allows a person that does nothing to benefit from the labor of others that actually do something. And if it is agreed to prior from occuring then there is no issue. |
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| Author: | Xequecal [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:55 pm ] |
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Khross wrote: Xequecal wrote: All taxation is redistribution of wealth, and allows a person that does nothing to benefit from the labor of others that actually do something. You keep on thinking things like that, and the next thing we know you'll vote for Obama's re-election....what? |
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| Author: | TheRiov [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:35 am ] |
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my problem isn't the concept, but its a vast oversimplification. What about all those willing to work who cannot find a job? Its easy to sound-bite your way into a stance on complex issues. Too bad it never approaches the realities of real life. |
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| Author: | Ladas [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:00 am ] |
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An excellent example of doing what you decry there Riov. |
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| Author: | TheRiov [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:36 am ] |
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I'm not trying to set policy or even advocate for a particular policy. I was trying to cite an example that discredits the basic premise. Nice try though Ladas. |
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| Author: | Ladas [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:11 am ] |
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So using soundbites to discredit soundbites? |
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| Author: | Khross [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:16 am ] |
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Ladas: Actually, the most incriminating portion of TheRiov's post is implicit, rather than explicit. After all, what would have to assume that "reality" supports the "need" for all these people to have jobs in the first place. |
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| Author: | TheRiov [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:35 am ] |
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Yes Ladas, in that it only takes one (verfiable) fact to disprove a basic theory. Its nearly always easier to disprove something than to prove it. |
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| Author: | Ladas [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:49 am ] |
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That's true Riov, but you didn't provide a "fact", you presented a soundbite to a complex group of people, attempting to oversimplify the situation by intentionally not examining the nature of that group and components. A lot of people are just flat unemployable when there is even the slightest surplus of labor, because they are horrible employees. They may "want to work" as in have a job and get a paycheck, but their level of effort is non-existant. You also get groups of people accustomed to a specific type of work or industry and are unwilling or unable to find jobs in that line of work because the jobs just flat don't exist, or demand for them is higher than their credentials, so rather than look elsewhere, they claim they can't find work. |
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| Author: | Nitefox [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:39 am ] |
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I have that quote in my quote.docx followed by these... "It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor." - Gary North "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: "from bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage." - Alexander Frazier Tytler "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat |
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