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Author: | Vindicarre [ Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:53 am ] |
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Neat-o I guess the left feels it's a treasonous outrage if Bush does a wiretap, but if Obama wants to do a double-tap it's okie-dokie. [youtube]zz6EkyKHauc[/youtube] How many Americans are targeted for assassination? Spoiler: The administration defends its assassination program Quote: In fact, the actual oath taken by the President as compelled by the Constitution -- that irritating, purist, Far Leftist document which he incessantly told us he studied and taught -- is this: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." To fulfill that duty, he might want to begin by looking here: "No person shall . . .be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." Spoiler: Well, it looks like more and more folks are waking up to the real Obama. I guess others are too oxygen deprived from sucking so hard and long without coming up for air to notice they were duped. |
Author: | Xequecal [ Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:24 am ] |
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1. Bush actually did wiretap people. I should also point out that Bush also actually did use the CIA to kill American citizens, just like Obama. More than one was killed by Predator strikes, and they knew they were there when they fired. As far as targeting citizens en masse, sure there's probably a plan in place for that somewhere. There's a plan in place to invade Canada too, should we get angry about that one? 2. I find it very funny that conservatives are getting angry over "three people" being targeted and using "no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." as the justification.You know, the same people who advocate things like deploying sentry guns on the Mexican border and shooting the Mexicans by the thousands. |
Author: | Wwen [ Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:57 am ] |
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Unless you disagree with that and this. Is it still funny? |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:24 am ] |
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I'm okay with killing Americans who engage US forces on battlefields. I'm not okay with sticking names on a list (even based on them having done this) and killing them wherever they are. There should be no list of people at all. But a standing order that it's okay to engage Americans participating with enemies on the battlefield with lethal force is not a problem, and how it should be. That there's a list, or that these standing orders extend to regions where we're not engaging in active conflict, is a serious problem. |
Author: | Wwen [ Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:28 am ] |
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Hey, terrorists could be operating in the US right now. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:58 am ] |
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Xequecal wrote: 1. Bush actually did wiretap people. I should also point out that Bush also actually did use the CIA to kill American citizens, just like Obama. More than one was killed by Predator strikes, and they knew they were there when they fired. As far as targeting citizens en masse, sure there's probably a plan in place for that somewhere. There's a plan in place to invade Canada too, should we get angry about that one? No one is disputing that Bush had wiretaps done. That's simply a red herring. As for him assassinating Americans, I want names, and I want to see that they were the actual target, not the facility they were at or people they were with. American's rights not to be targeted for assassination do not extend to protecting hem if they are killed in the process of attacking something else; they are not de facto human shields. As for a plan to invade Canada, I'd like to see any evidence that there's one "in place". There may be one laying around somewhere in the Pentagon; that doesn't mean ****. It could very well be a plan to invade Canada in response to them being invaded by Russia. Quote: 2. I find it very funny that conservatives are getting angry over "three people" being targeted and using "no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." as the justification.You know, the same people who advocate things like deploying sentry guns on the Mexican border and shooting the Mexicans by the thousands. It's well understood that the due process clause does not apply to activites performed against foriegn countries and people in pursuit of national defense. It also does not prohibit killing people in the process of enforcing law; it simply limits it. Mexicans trying to cross the border are not citizens, nor are they people in this country entitled to legal protections. They could easily be considered foriegn invaders. By your idiot logic, if the Mexican Army invaded Arizona we couldn't kill them; we'd need to arrest and try each of them. |
Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:59 am ] |
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Kaffis Mark V wrote: I'm okay with killing Americans who engage US forces on battlefields. I'm not okay with sticking names on a list (even based on them having done this) and killing them wherever they are. There should be no list of people at all. But a standing order that it's okay to engage Americans participating with enemies on the battlefield with lethal force is not a problem, and how it should be. That there's a list, or that these standing orders extend to regions where we're not engaging in active conflict, is a serious problem. This. |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:31 am ] |
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Xequecal wrote: 2. I find it very funny that conservatives are getting angry over "three people" being targeted and using "no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." as the justification.You know, the same people who advocate things like deploying sentry guns on the Mexican border and shooting the Mexicans by the thousands. Who are these people who have "advocate things like deploying sentry guns on the Mexican border and shooting the Mexicans by the thousands"? Where have they shown that they were "getting angry over 'three people' being targeted"? Did they post invisibly between what I presented, and your post, or is this a wildly incongruous straw-man that you made up? I'm pretty sure Glenn Greenwald at Salon.com and Dylan Ratigan at MSNBC aren't who you're talking about. So, unless they're the conservatives you've made up in your head, who are they? You are a prime example of those who, based on past history, should be ranting about this. You raged about non-citizens being labeled as enemy combatants and being detained. Yet you shrug off the idea of having lists of names that are assassination targets based on suspicion of being an enemy combatant, or even suspected of assisting enemy combatants. Does this make any **** sense to you? The only difference I see is that these are citizens and you're not, so you don't give a ****. Guess what? If this is how citizens are treated and you have no problem with it don't be surprised how they want to treat non-citizens, because it's a fair bet that the way they're treated isn't going to be "better". |
Author: | LadyKate [ Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:39 am ] |
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Didn't Nixon have a hit list too? |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:42 am ] |
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He had an "enemies list" of his political opponents, yes, but not of citizens approved for assassination - at least I've never heard of such. |
Author: | LadyKate [ Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:46 am ] |
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Huh. I remember doing a paper in high school and I really thought his "enemies" list was a hit list with people like Barbara Streisand and stuff on it. Eh. It's been too long ago too remember. |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:52 am ] |
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Oh, I'm sure it was characterized for you in the worst possible light, everything about Nixon is by some folks. |
Author: | LadyKate [ Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:55 am ] |
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Probably. Made for a great Senior paper though! |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:02 am ] |
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Lol. Note that I did say "for you", not "by you"; I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. |
Author: | LadyKate [ Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:07 am ] |
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Ha! Thanks. Believe me, my sources were checked and re-checked and checked again. Everything was legit. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:52 am ] |
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Legit as far as you could tell as a senior is High School. I wouldn't put it past anyone to have tried to pull the wool over your eyes, including your sources. I had a girl in either my junior or senior high school class who thought that the entire Cuban Missile Crisis was manufactured as propaganda against Russia, and that there were no missiles. |
Author: | Screeling [ Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:17 pm ] |
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I heard they were actually really big cigars. |
Author: | darksiege [ Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:34 pm ] |
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LadyKate wrote: I really thought his "enemies" list was a hit list with people like Barbara Streisand and stuff on it. Suddenly I like Nixon better than I used to. |
Author: | Monte [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:51 am ] |
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Let me try to wrap my brain around this - Conservatives, the people who brought us "torture them to death if they don't talk", the people who thought it was fine for US citizens to be the victims of warrantless wiretaps, who think it's fine to use centuries old torture techniques on American citizens, are suddenly freaking out about the Obama administration's plan to kill American citizens that have clearly joined forces with our nation's enemies. |
Author: | darksiege [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:05 am ] |
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Monte wrote: Let me try to wrap my brain around this - Conservatives, the people who brought us "torture them to death if they don't talk", the people who thought it was fine for US citizens to be the victims of warrantless wiretaps, who think it's fine to use centuries old torture techniques on American citizens, are suddenly freaking out about the Obama administration's plan to kill American citizens that have clearly joined forces with our nation's enemies. Nope, you got it wrong... it is perfectly fine to like Nixon because he wanted to cause much harm to Barbara Streisand. |
Author: | Wwen [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:45 am ] |
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Monte wrote: Let me try to wrap my brain around this - Conservatives, the people who brought us "torture them to death if they don't talk", the people who thought it was fine for US citizens to be the victims of warrantless wiretaps, who think it's fine to use centuries old torture techniques on American citizens, are suddenly freaking out about the Obama administration's plan to kill American citizens that have clearly joined forces with our nation's enemies. Well, Obama is clearly keeping all those other things you mentioned. Are you ok with all of them now? I'M CONFUSED. Personally, I think this story is probably worded for MAXIMUM drama. There are way worse things that are still going on from the previous admin... |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:23 pm ] |
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Yup, it's just as I stated, the libs only train of thought is that what they perceive Bush as doing apparently trumps what Obama does. Vindicarre wrote: Neat-o
I guess the left feels it's a treasonous outrage if Bush does a wiretap, but if Obama wants to do a double-tap it's okie-dokie. |
Author: | Monte [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:40 pm ] |
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Wwen wrote: Well, Obama is clearly keeping all those other things you mentioned. Are you ok with all of them now? I'M CONFUSED. That's not entirely accurate. One of the first things the President did was issue an order to cease all "enhanced" interrogation techniques such as waterboarding. He did seem to keep the outsourcing program, but increased the regulations on what assurances we needed from countries we sent these people to. I am not entirely pleased with his record on this. It's probably one of the most frustrating things for me regarding this administration. I agree. The story is worded for maximum drama, and so are the selections. If a person leaves the US, goes to another country, and begins waging war on the US, then I have no problem if we take them out. In fact, the more precisely we can kill them, the happier I am with it. Being a US citizen should not protect you from the consequences of going to war with the United States. Understand that when I say this, I am specifically referring to action on foreign soil. Domestically, it's a law enforcement issue. If an American citizen is recruiting terrorists or taking direct action against the US from within the US, then it's up to our domestic law enforcement apparatus to arrest and prosecute. FBI, NSA, etc. |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:17 pm ] |
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Hi-larious! Bush was the devil for wiretapping, but Obama gets a "I'm not entirely pleased with him" for ordering the assassination of American citizens suspected of being accomplices to terrorists, no trial, no hearing. Absolutely beautiful. Go go logical continuity! |
Author: | Wwen [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:38 pm ] |
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Enh, why should American citizens get a trial when they leave the country to help support people fighting against American Occupation? If they want to help people who hate freedom, they can die at the end of a predator drone missile just as well as any Taliban. |
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