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Author:  Uncle Fester [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:47 pm ]
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Going to file this under the "what the ****?" category. So they set up an altercation to see how an officer might react, and then assault the officer? Well I would be glad that he did not shoot the assaulter, but the whole thing seems really dumb.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/24453132/detail.html

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INDIANAPOLIS -- Relations between the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department and some members of the African-American community are still a sore spot in the weeks since the Brandon Johnson incident.

Case in point -- an altercation in which an officer was injured during a presentation to a youth symposium last weekend that officials said was staged, leading to the suspension of a parks manager and animosity among officers, 6News' Jack Rinehart reported.

Sgt. Matthew Grimes was asked to give a presentation to a church audience on July 24 at Municipal Gardens, in the 1800 block of Lafayette Road.

During the presentation, an altercation broke out in the crowd, and Grimes intervened. The officer was thrown to the ground and drew his Taser, ready to stun one of the people involved, police said.


At that point, someone stepped in and told the officer that the incident had been concocted to test the reaction of the officer to the situation, police said. Grimes suffered severe back spasms after the incident and was taken to Methodist Hospital for treatment.

James Harrington, pastor of the Mt. Vernon Missionary Baptist Church, said he set up the scenario to test a white officer's reaction to a fight between two black men.

"Their job is to protect and serve, and even though they have families and children, that they don't put any regard to their safety," Harrington said. "I don't think it was dangerous because it was in a controlled environment."

Harrington denied that the officer was injured.

"We are trying to do anything that we can to save the lives of our children," he said. "We have to have live demonstrations of violence carried on by professional actors who are trained to do what they do."

Willard Gupton, a park manager who police said had advance knowledge of the plan, was suspended in the wake of the incident.

"I can basically say we didn't do anything wrong," Gupton said Friday evening. "It was simply just trying to make a teachable moment, to try and teach young people about violence."

Details of the altercation incensed Marion County Public Safety Director Frank Straub, who called the ordeal disturbing and disappointing, indicating that a few activists are trying to bait officers.

"Totally inappropriate … and it's reflective of a very small group of people that won't engage in constructive conversations but want to keep this rhetoric going," Straub said. "We are wrong as a city to allow a single incident to define the city or define the police department."

Straub said Saturday's incident wasn't the only indication that some people are intentionally stirring the pot. There have been multiple incidents of officers being fired upon in recent weeks, he said.

"Stop, act like adults now. You made your point. We got it. We're moving forward, and we're going to make fundamental changes that will make this a better police department," he said. "That was insulting. It was incredibly disrespectful. Somebody got hurt unnecessarily, and more people could have gotten hurt."

The incident further strains a tenuous dynamic in the community, engendering distrust between officers and the community.

"Whoever planned this thing was not thinking. It was stupid and ill-conceived," said Sgt. William Owensby, president of the Fraternal Order of Police. "Whoever is behind this should be charged criminally with felony battery on a police officer."

Straub said that he's committed to improving officer response to tense situations but that others have to be willing to help.

"A very small segment of the community has to say, 'OK, they got it, they listened to us. They've been respectful,'" Straub said. "We need to work with the police department to continue to move the ball forward."

Mayor Greg Ballard weighed in on the issue Friday evening.

"It looks like poor judgment initially, but I will have to see. I just don't know until I get all the angles," Ballard said
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Bonus points to the mayor for actually wanting to get the full story before shooting his mouth off.

Author:  LadyKate [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Teachable moments

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"Whoever planned this thing was not thinking. It was stupid and ill-conceived," said Sgt. William Owensby, president of the Fraternal Order of Police. "Whoever is behind this should be charged criminally with felony battery on a police officer."


This.

Author:  Midgen [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:00 pm ]
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This had a lot of potential to be a Darwin award candidate....

Author:  Uncle Fester [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:02 pm ]
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Except no one thankfully/unfortunately died. The whole set up smells of stupid. Imagine if during the "teachable moment" when the white officer is assaulted and he defends himself with his fire arm and not a tazer?

Author:  LadyKate [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:03 pm ]
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Midgen wrote:
This had a lot of potential to be a Darwin award candidate....


Which would not have been seen like that....it would have read "Racist cop kills African American during safety exercise" or something along those lines.

Author:  Midgen [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:03 pm ]
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Uncle Fester wrote:
Imagine if during the "teachable moment" when the white officer is assaulted and he defends himself with his fire arm and not a tazer?
Or someone who wasn't in on it, gets carried away and a riot breaks out..

The potential for things to go horribly wrong was astronimcal...

Author:  LadyKate [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:07 pm ]
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I wonder how many in the community will actually think this way

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"A very small segment of the community has to say, 'OK, they got it, they listened to us. They've been respectful,'" Straub said. "We need to work with the police department to continue to move the ball forward."


And how many are disappointed that they didn't get the results they wanted and are already concocting the next set-up....

Author:  Aizle [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:14 pm ]
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Wow, at face value that just seems like a stupid stupid idea.

+1 on the props to the mayor for getting all the facts before making a statement.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:48 pm ]
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Unbelievably stupid and unbelieveably arrogant. Any organization that feels it has a special right to "test" police that everyone's taxes pay for deserves to have everyone involved charged.

Author:  Monte [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:01 pm ]
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Charged with what?

Author:  Rynar [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:06 pm ]
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Monte wrote:
Charged with what?


Assault.

Author:  darksiege [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:25 pm ]
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Rynar wrote:
Assault.


You really think he sees it that way? He will see this as Black Heroes who exposed the horrible violent and racist cop for what he really is.

Author:  Micheal [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:36 pm ]
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Conspiracy and accessory to assault an Officer. Real charges.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:38 pm ]
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Micheal wrote:
Conspiracy and accessory to assault an Officer. Real charges.


This.

Author:  Jasmy [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:46 pm ]
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Monte wrote:
Charged with what?


Are you really, truly that naive???

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:30 am ]
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Not only this, but the group should be sued by the department to recover the costs of his medical bills and leave time (I assume this is covered by the department since he was on duty).

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