This is kinda like a 'no athiest a foxhole' thing.
Everyone is against being forced to have health insurance...right up until the moment they're bleeding to death and the hospital won't treat them because they cannot pay.

This is kinda like a 'no athiest a foxhole' thing.
Everyone is against being forced to have health insurance...right up until the moment they're bleeding to death and the hospital won't treat them because they cannot pay.

This is kinda like a 'no athiest a foxhole' thing.
Everyone is against being forced to have health insurance...right up until the moment they're bleeding to death and the hospital won't treat them because they cannot pay.

not at all. I'm well aware they're not allowed to refuse care.

You just made my point for me. That care must be paid for somewhere. Better to have it 'within the system' Rather than bill customers who cannot pay and passing those costs (plus the overhead for it) on to everyone else better to have it within a system set up for this purpose.

not at all. I'm well aware they're not allowed to refuse care.

You just made my point for me. That care must be paid for somewhere. Better to have it 'within the system' Rather than bill customers who cannot pay and passing those costs (plus the overhead for it) on to everyone else better to have it within a system set up for this purpose.

Foul tip. That's strike two.

Bull. TheRiov is completely correct. These are now unplanned costs that severly hamper a hospitals ability to budget and plan correctly and artificially inflate the overall costs of healthcare.

Once again we see that libs and personal responsibility do not mix.

Right so stop forcing them to treat people.

Its easy to say that now. Harder when they're bleeding in front of you. Or should emergency care be put off until each individual can provide a bank statment and credit references proving they can pay?

Its not realistic Elmo and you know it.

Hardly. I'm obviously liberal. I pay taxes. I pay my bills. I dont bounce checks and I contribute to society.

One COULD argue that by asking people to pay taxes we're asking for everyone to shoulder a piece of the burden--demanding greater personal responsiblity for society on the whole rather than dismissing the whole as 'not my responsiblity'

Hardly. I'm obviously liberal. I pay taxes. I pay my bills. I dont bounce checks and I contribute to society.

One COULD argue that by asking people to pay taxes we're asking for everyone to shoulder a piece of the burden--demanding greater personal responsiblity for society on the whole rather than dismissing the whole as 'not my responsiblity'

He boldly says, before he gets cancer and gets dropped from his insurance as a result...


People are so very courageous with other people's lives, aren't they?

He boldly says, before he gets cancer and gets dropped from his insurance as a result...


People are so very courageous with other people's lives, aren't they?

He boldly says, before he gets cancer and gets dropped from his insurance as a result...


People are so very courageous with other people's lives, aren't they?

Once again we see that libs and personal responsibility do not mix.

How do you get that from my comment? It's the conservatives that are proposing that we don't **** pay for the issues that WILL and DO happen. I have yet to see one serious offering from the conservative parties that suggested that we deny emergency care from those who aren't covered. That is the ONLY way to make a non-taxpayer supported healthcare system work.

And as we all know that would never fly, the populace (rightly IMHO) would not stand for it. Beyond the moral repercussions, you'd have riots in the streets eventually that would be a far greater drain on the resources of our country and economy than any national healthcare system would be.

So basically you have two options, you can either cry and whine about how it's not fair or right or whatever, or you can man up and deal with the reality of the situation and do the best that you can. So far anything I've seen from the conservative side of the house has been crying and whining.

Hey you pathetic pile of genetic slop,

I'll have done to me as I do to others every day of the week. You know absolutely **** about me you donkeyball sucking pea-brained bag of smashed ****.

**** off and die. You have no motivation to make the world a better place because you're a lazy, self-absorbed, ignorant git who can't think rationally because you don't even bother to try to understand what it means. Not that your feeble grasp of any concept or term could even begin the ascent to understand of anything of importance.