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| Author: | Micheal [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:28 am ] |
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/ ... tml?hpt=T2 In Hellfire because the inevitable argument about global warming is expected. I'm in agreement that something is happening, but I'm not sure it is human induced, human aided maybe. Massive ice island breaks off Greenland August 7, 2010 9:43 a.m. EDT Greenland's Petermann Glacier in 2009. Researchers say a quarter of the ice shelf has broken away. STORY HIGHLIGHTS * 260 square-kilometer Ice island is biggest since 1962, researchers say * Ice broke away from Petermann glacier early on Thursday * Ice island could block Nares Strait which separates Canada, Greenland * Environmentalists say Arctic ice melt caused by global warming (CNN) -- A piece of ice four times the size of Manhattan island has broken away from an ice shelf in Greenland, according to scientists in the U.S. The 260 square-kilometer (100 square miles) ice island separated from the Petermann Glacier in northern Greenland early on Thursday, researchers based at the University of Delaware said. The ice island, which is about half the height of the Empire State Building, is the biggest piece of ice to break away from the Arctic icecap since 1962 and amounts to a quarter of the Petermann 70-kilometer floating ice shelf, according to research leader Andreas Muenchow. "The freshwater stored in this ice island could keep the Delaware or Hudson rivers flowing for more than two years. It could also keep all U.S. public tap water flowing for 120 days," Muenchow said. Muenchow's team is studying ice in the Nares Strait separating Greenland from Canada, about 1,000 kilometers south of the North Pole. Satellite data from NASA's MODIS-Aqua satellite revealed the initial rupture which was confirmed within hours by Trudy Wohlleben of the Canadian Ice Service, according to the University of Delaware website. Muenchow said the island could block the Nares Strait as it drifts south, or break into smaller islands and continue towards the open waters of the Atlantic. "In Nares Strait, the ice island will encounter real islands that are all much smaller in size," he said. "The newly born ice island may become land-fast, block the channel, or it may break into smaller pieces as it is propelled south by the prevailing ocean currents. From there, it will likely follow along the coasts of Baffin Island and Labrador, to reach the Atlantic within the next two years." Environmentalists say ice melt is being caused by global warming with Arctic temperatures in the 1990s reaching their warmest level of any decade in at least 2,000 years, according to a study published in 2009. Current trends could see the Arctic Ocean become ice free in summer months within decades, researchers predict. |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Want a little ice? |
Quote: Current trends could see the Arctic Ocean become ice free in summer months within decades, researchers predict. Isn't that a little drastic? |
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| Author: | Micheal [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:48 pm ] |
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Researchers predict lots of things that never come true. Researchers predicted that setting off the atomic bomb would cause a chain effect that would engulf the world and end earth. |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:02 pm ] |
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I'd like a job as a researcher then. I could be very good at "the sky will fall" predictions. |
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| Author: | Midgen [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:33 pm ] |
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I hear the qualifications are pretty much just.. 'have an opinion'... |
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| Author: | RangerDave [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:40 pm ] |
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LadyKate wrote: Quote: Current trends could see the Arctic Ocean become ice free in summer months within decades, researchers predict. Isn't that a little drastic? Maybe, but countries that border on the Arctic Ocean (notably Russia and Canada) are already getting touchy about who will be entitled to control over any new shipping lanes or oil/gas deposits that become accessible as a result of the ice receding. |
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| Author: | Monte [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:59 pm ] |
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We are such idiots. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:50 pm ] |
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Micheal wrote: Researchers predict lots of things that never come true. Researchers predicted that setting off the atomic bomb would cause a chain effect that would engulf the world and end earth. This is true, but is has been commonly misunderstood in the public re-telling. One specific researcher on the project predict that there was a three-in-one-million chance of this happening. I'll look up his name later. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:55 pm ] |
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Edward Teller, I think. |
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| Author: | Aethien [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:15 pm ] |
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I think "ice-free" arctic ocean is overstating it, but an ice-free route through the Arctic Sea has already started appearing. Two ships did a summertime transit, back in 2009. According to Wikipedia,it cuts 4000 miles off of the regular routes between Korea and Rotterdam, for example. Could be poor writing, but I wonder if they mean a permanent ice-free route. That would be significant. |
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| Author: | Riudi [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:12 pm ] |
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Monte wrote: We are such idiots. Best line I've heard today. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:39 pm ] |
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Talya wrote: Edward Teller, I think. Enrico Fermi, although since they were both involved (Teller, mainly in work on the "Super" or hydrogen bomb) he might have agreed with Fermi. They were both present for the test too. Fermi was racing to get the yield before anyone else, although he was off by 100% (he calculated 10 KT just a few seconds after the blast; it turned out to be 20) and Teller famously put on sun lotion just prior to the test. Teller was also one of the two fathers of the Teller-Ulam design. |
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| Author: | Ladas [ Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:38 am ] |
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So what was global warming like in 1962? |
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| Author: | Taskiss [ Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:55 am ] |
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Ladas wrote: So what was global warming like in 1962? Well, the North Pole was ice-free in places... http://www.icue.com/portal/site/iCue/fl ... card=41751 Quote: "1958 Newsreel: USS Skate, Nuclear Sub, Is First to Surface at North Pole ED HERLIHY, reporting: USS Skate heads north on another epic cruise into the strange underseas realm first opened up by our nuclear submarines. Last year, the Skate and her sister-sub Nautilus both cruised under the Arctic ice to the Pole. Then, conditions were most favorable. The Skate’s job is to see if it can be done when the Arctic winter is at its worst, with high winds pushing the floes into motion and the ice as thick as twenty-five feet. Ten times she is able to surface. Once, at the North Pole, where crewmen performed a mission of sentiment, scattering the ashes of polar explorer Sir Hubert Wilkins. In 1931, he was the first to attempt a submarine cruise to the Pole. Now, the Skate’s twelve-day three thousand mile voyage under the ice, shown in Defense Department films, demonstrates that missile-carrying nuclear subs could lurk under the Polar Ice Cap, safe from attack, to emerge at will, and fire off H-bomb missiles to any target on Earth. A powerful, retaliatory weapon for America’s defense." Quote: “the Skate found open water both in the summer and following winter. We surfaced near the North Pole in the winter through thin ice less than 2 feet thick. The ice moves from Alaska to Iceland and the wind and tides causes open water as the ice breaks up. The Ice at the polar ice cap is an average of 6-8 feet thick, but with the wind and tides the ice will crack and open into large polynyas (areas of open water), these areas will refreeze over with thin ice. We had sonar equipment that would find these open or thin areas to come up through, thus limiting any damage to the submarine. The ice would also close in and cover these areas crushing together making large ice ridges both above and below the water. We came up through a very large opening in 1958 that was 1/2 mile long and 200 yards wide. The wind came up and closed the opening within 2 hours. On both trips we were able to find open water. We were not able to surface through ice thicker than 3 feet.” SO, in 1958 the ice at the polar ice cap was averaging 6-8 feet thick and up to 25 feet thick... ... and now? Read for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_ice_cap Quote: Earth's north pole is covered by floating pack ice (sea ice) over the Arctic Ocean. Portions of the ice that don't melt seasonally can get very thick, up to 3–4 meters thick over large areas, with ridges up to 20 meters thick. That's about 9 feet to 13 feet, up to 65 feet thick. |
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| Author: | Ladas [ Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:02 am ] |
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Heh... I wasn't actually expecting an answer, but thank you. |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:40 pm ] |
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Oh man, remember when they fired up CERN and a blackhole ate the universe? |
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| Author: | Micheal [ Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:43 pm ] |
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Yeah, I told Katas to stop pushing buttons trying to get more Ermenthaler. Thank goodness Khross' had an alternate universe bubble for us to escape to ready. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:52 pm ] |
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Hopwin wrote: Oh man, remember when they fired up CERN and a blackhole ate the universe? I hate it when they do that. |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:10 am ] |
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My current research indicates that by 2050, women will run 99.5% of global politics and economics. This will be a result of the 2022 invention of 3-D holigraphic internet porn. |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:37 am ] |
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Arathain Kelvar wrote: My current research indicates that by 2050, women will run 99.5% of global politics and economics. This will be a result of the 2022 invention of 3-D holigraphic internet porn. We have to wait til 2022? *^%$ |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:56 am ] |
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Hopwin wrote: Arathain Kelvar wrote: My current research indicates that by 2050, women will run 99.5% of global politics and economics. This will be a result of the 2022 invention of 3-D holigraphic internet porn. We have to wait til 2022? *^%$ What, man? I'm working as fast as I can. I keep getting distracted, though. |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:01 pm ] |
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Arathain Kelvar wrote: Hopwin wrote: Arathain Kelvar wrote: My current research indicates that by 2050, women will run 99.5% of global politics and economics. This will be a result of the 2022 invention of 3-D holigraphic internet porn. We have to wait til 2022? *^%$ What, man? I'm working as fast as I can. I keep getting distracted, though. Stop buying lotion and get it done! |
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| Author: | Monte [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:55 pm ] |
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Holodeck. WTB. Now. |
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| Author: | Vindicarre [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:36 pm ] |
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Talk to the Canadians. |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:47 pm ] |
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I ate them all  I guess this disproves Canadians will ever invent time-travel since they would've come back in time and warned their predecessors to stop being so tasty... or alternatively they might have travelled back to eat their own proginators before they were all gone. |
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