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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:18 pm 
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Worth striking over?

http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2010 ... ra/?hpt=T2

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n the time of major budget crunches and layoffs in education, a teacher’s union in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, is fighting for the right to Viagra.

From CNN’s affiliate WISN: “The union claims that some teachers could be discriminated against by not having the drug covered by insurance.”

The station also reports that the Milwaukee school system is about $30 million in debt. Erectile dysfunction pills cost about $20 to $25 a pop - that most insurance companies do not provide coverage.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported: “In 2008, the teachers' union filed a charge with the state's Equal Rights Division, complaining that not offering the drug violated the Wisconsin Fair Employment Act.”

Milwaukee parents aren’t quite so sympathetic about the plight of the male teachers and their erectile needs.

"It's a waste of time, let's spend time on the kids," said Deon Patton, who has children enrolled in Milwaukee Public Schools, told WISN.


In before the obligatory, I will be happy if my kids teacher was not sporting a hard on. (insert Catholic school joke)

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Heh. Definately seems very silly, however I'm highly skeptical that access to viagra is the only reason for striking.


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haha they said $20 to $25 a pop.


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(insert anti-union remark here).

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Heh. Definately seems very silly, however I'm highly skeptical that access to viagra is the only reason for striking.


The fact that it's included as a reason for striking at all is indictive of how spoiled teachers' unions are in this country.

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This is a hard issue to really solve. I hope support for this doesn't go flaccid.


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Wow. Does the Wisconsin Fair Employment Act actually create a right to an erection?

Short of that, I'm having a tough time seeing how men with erectile disfunction can claim protected status.

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Silly demands like this really get a rise out of me.

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Without coming out in favor or against -

Do the folks who are outraged by this consider sex to be an essential part of their life? Their marriage?

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HAHAHAHAHA! omg......


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Who cares?

Sex isn't an essential part of life; people who have argued that there's too much burden in expecting people to do without have invariably done so because they just can't stand the idea themselves.

As for if it's essential to your marriage.. then pay for the treatment yourself. Your marriage should be worth it. If your marriage will suffer because your spouse is holding your physical condition that affects sexual performance against you, you have deeper problems in your marriage than lack of sex.

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I'm just curious.

If you are outraged by this, do you feel that sex is an integral part of your marriage, or your health and well being?

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Monte wrote:
I'm just curious.

If you are outraged by this, do you feel that sex is an integral part of your marriage, or your health and well being?


Yes, no, and no.

However, an integral part of my marriage does not mean I wouldn't stay married tomorrow. If my wife was confined to a wheelchair and our sex life were massively reduced or nonexistant, I would not say our marriage had been weakened in any way. It's an integral part of our marriage because we can and do engage in it, not because we must.

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I see your point about her being disabled, but you could still function, and generally people who are disabled function on some level or another. Intercourse doesn't necessarily end if someone is say, paralyzed.

If you could not get or sustain an erection, would you consider yourself healthy?

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Monte wrote:
I see your point about her being disabled, but you could still function, and generally people who are disabled function on some level or another. Intercourse doesn't necessarily end if someone is say, paralyzed.


I know that, but you were asking if its integral. I'm pointing out that if it did have to end completely, it wouldn't end our marriage.

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If you could not get or sustain an erection, would you consider yourself healthy?


Yes. I'd say I had a health problem, but I am overall healthy. I have a health problem now, called hypothyroisdism, but I am overall healthy because I have treatment for it. I expect insurance to pay its agreed-to cost for my medication because hypothyroidism affects my overall health, not just my ability to engage in one particular activity. I wouldn't expect insurance to pay for Viagra. I don't need it to function in life in general, just sex.

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If sex is an essential part of life, does that mean health care plans should start covering hookers?


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Monte wrote:
I see your point about her being disabled, but you could still function, and generally people who are disabled function on some level or another. Intercourse doesn't necessarily end if someone is say, paralyzed.

If you could not get or sustain an erection, would you consider yourself healthy?

I can't get off so it isn't sex? Bro's need to learn how to take the elevator down south.

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Bro's need to learn how to take the elevator down south.


No idea.


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Monte wrote:
Without coming out in favor or against -

Do the folks who are outraged by this consider sex to be an essential part of their life? Their marriage?

I see. So the Wisconsin Fair Employment Act hasn't created a right to an erection, but Monte has.

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Diamondeye wrote:

Yes. I'd say I had a health problem, but I am overall healthy.



Ok, cool.

So, you would say you had a health problem. No problem. I would agree with you. Our sexual function is part and parcel to our overall health picture. And I'm sure you probably wouldn't disagree that sexual dysfunction can lead to other problems, including depression.

I kind of feel like Viagra has, generally, a bad reputation. But I'm of the opinion that sexual function is no less a part of our health care than other organ function. Obviously, it's not like heart dysfunction which is significantly more dangerous. But that doesn't mean it's not important.

So when people are advocating to have coverage for drugs intended to treat sexual dysfunction, it's difficult for me to get upset about it. Viagra is not generally covered under insurance policies unless it's medically necessary, and there are other uses for the drug beyond erectile dysfunction.

It treats a fairly common illness, and so I have to ask - why is there an issue with covering it?

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Would you say mental health, and as a component, self worth and identity, essential to your health?


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Absolutely. I definitely think that mental health is something that ought to be covered by health care plans. And pretty much every State agrees with me, and has laws on the books mandating mental health coverage for insurance policies.

Now, I assume you and I aren't talking about Sally just getting down on herself over her grades for a day or two. I assume we are talking about chronic self worth and identity issues that are connected to depression and other mental illnesses.

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Monte wrote:
Now, I assume you and I aren't talking about Sally just getting down on herself over her grades for a day or two. I assume we are talking about chronic self worth and identity issues that are connected to depression and other mental illnesses.

I am. So, with that understanding, should breast augmentation and other cosmetic surgeries be covered?


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Of course not, although I can definitely understand (And have processed claims) for people who had breast reconstruction surgery after a bout with breast cancer, and burn victims who had plastic surgery to correct serious facial burns.

The difference, however, is one of function. Viagra corrects a dysfunction of an organ. Getting a boob job is really not the same thing.

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Monte wrote:
The difference, however, is one of function. Viagra corrects a dysfunction of an organ. Getting a boob job is really not the same thing.

No, actually it isn't. It can be caused by physiological conditions, but none of which are directly related to that particular organ (or in the case where its a muscular or nervous condition, Viagra won't work), but its just as prevalent for psychological reasons.

The physiological are treated by other regimes, such as controlling diabetes.

But if Viagra is allowed under the auspice of psychological reason, then its not different than treating conditions of depression caused by self image, etc.

So, why just ED and not mammoplasty?


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