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Anyway - I spent a good deal of time around her books, and my Fiance owned one for several years. My father owns The Fountainhead (though I'm not sure he's read it), and also I've read The Hobbit. I've read books twice now. Atlas Shrugged is, from what I hear, pretty crappy. But no, I never read it. I do know folks who *have*, and they aren't terribly impressed.

Let me guess, you've never read anything by her Monte?

By the way, I have endured the trashy romance novel that is Atlas Shrugged. I've also looked into Ayn Rand a great deal. Ultimately, I came to the conclusion that any person willing to stand in solidarity behind a guy that kidnapped, murdered, and dismembered a little girl and spread the girl's body parts all over the place didn't deserve a great deal of credit as a philosopher.

Let me guess, you've never read anything by her Monte?

What's wrong with Atheism?

And yet you defend Islam on a regular basis.

Islam, like Christianity and other religions, is deeply flawed in my opinion. The Koran is no better or worse, in my mind, than the Bible.

really? Then I must call bullshit, and say you are a liar. How many times have you gone out of your way to attack Islam the way you do Christianity?

You, sir are a traitor to your own country, to your own race and I may not be Christian, but I have taken serious affront to the way you go to extreme lengths to bash one religion you claim is flawed with its bible... but go out and offhand defend anything another religion does because Christians "misunderstand" it.

Take a breath and realize that if it were a group of Christians wanting to build a religious temple at or near the OKC bombing site, I would be defending their rights just as avidly.

I use *their* standards and apply those standards ... in order to make a point.

Müs wrote:

What's wrong with Atheism?

Ask those on the wrong end of the guns of Lenin and Mao.

Rynar wrote:

Müs wrote:

What's wrong with Atheism?

Ask those on the wrong end of the guns of Lenin and Mao.

I don't think Atheism was to blame there.

You, sir are a traitor to your own country, to your own race....

Müs wrote:

Rynar wrote:

Ask those on the wrong end of the guns of Lenin and Mao.

I don't think Atheism was to blame there.

Not really, but we've had quite a few instances where people have tried to attribute all kinds of deaths to Christianity and then when those caused by Lenin, Stalin, Mao or others are attributed to Atheism, they cry foul.

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Author:	Aizle [ Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:20 am ]
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http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/08/ ... t-writing/

Author:	Monte [ Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:50 pm ]
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"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

Author:	Elmarnieh [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:26 am ]
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Let me guess, you've never read anything by her Monte?

Author:	Vindicarre [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:38 am ]
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I think the answer is pretty obvious Elmo: Monte on Reading Ayn Rand wrote: Anyway - I spent a good deal of time around her books, and my Fiance owned one for several years. My father owns The Fountainhead (though I'm not sure he's read it), and also I've read The Hobbit. I've read books twice now. Atlas Shrugged is, from what I hear, pretty crappy. But no, I never read it. I do know folks who have, and they aren't terribly impressed.

Author:	Mookhow [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:26 am ]
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How do you pronounce 'Ayn'? Is it just 'Ann'? In my head I keep pronouncing it like 'aim' but with an 'n'.

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Author:	Stathol [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:41 am ]
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Like German "ein". (Rhymes with sign)

Author:	Monte [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:54 am ]
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Elmarnieh wrote: Let me guess, you've never read anything by her Monte? I rest my case.

Author:	Elmarnieh [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:00 am ]
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That is my line Monte.

Author:	Monte [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:50 am ]
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By the way, I have endured the trashy romance novel that is Atlas Shrugged. I've also looked into Ayn Rand a great deal. Ultimately, I came to the conclusion that any person willing to stand in solidarity behind a guy that kidnapped, murdered, and dismembered a little girl and spread the girl's body parts all over the place didn't deserve a great deal of credit as a philosopher.

Author:	Taskiss [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:18 pm ]
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Monte wrote: By the way, I have endured the trashy romance novel that is Atlas Shrugged. I've also looked into Ayn Rand a great deal. Ultimately, I came to the conclusion that any person willing to stand in solidarity behind a guy that kidnapped, murdered, and dismembered a little girl and spread the girl's body parts all over the place didn't deserve a great deal of credit as a philosopher. The problem with your criticism is that, had you approved of her philosophy, I'm sure you would have justified the behavior.

Author:	Nitefox [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:22 pm ]
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Monte wrote: By the way, I have endured the trashy romance novel that is Atlas Shrugged. I've also looked into Ayn Rand a great deal. Ultimately, I came to the conclusion that any person willing to stand in solidarity behind a guy that kidnapped, murdered, and dismembered a little girl and spread the girl's body parts all over the place didn't deserve a great deal of credit as a philosopher. And yet you defend Islam on a regular basis.

Author:	Rynar [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:46 pm ]
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Worse yet, he defends Marxism and Atheism.

Author:	Müs [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:16 pm ]
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What's wrong with Atheism?

Author:	Arathain Kelvar [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:44 pm ]
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Elmarnieh wrote: Let me guess, you've never read anything by her Monte? Clearly, he's never read the evidence.

Author:	TheRiov [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:51 pm ]
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Whats wrong with Christianity? Ask those being burned at the stake, pressed, beheaded, hanged, stoned, forced to drink hemlock, sent to the gas chamber...... Neither Christianity nor Atheism nor Islam are at fault for the atrocities its adherents commit. Morality does not spring from religion. Religion merely is used as a tool to justify morality.

Author:	Monte [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:29 pm ]
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Nitefox wrote: And yet you defend Islam on a regular basis. No, I defend the right of Islamic people to build a mosque where they wish to build one, and oppose efforts to demonize the entire faith based on the actions of crazed radicals. ****. Why am I talking to you? Islam, like Christianity and other religions, is deeply flawed in my opinion. The Koran is no better or worse, in my mind, than the Bible. Both of them are what they are. I certainly don't hate them, I simply think that what they teach is untrue. And the more radical the interpretation of their faith, the more dangerous I think those teachings are. Much like my position on Christianity. There are sects of Christianity I think are awesome, not because I agree with their take on our reality, but because they embody laudable tenants of tolerance and charity. Then there are sects of Christianity that I find to be repugnant. They teach a hateful, violent faith that makes everyone who doesn't agree with their take on the Bible out to be one of Satan's minions. They make gay people out to be abominations. The thing is, I don't actually consider those people to be real Christians, just like I don't consider Al Qaeda to be real Muslims. I see them as people who use their religion as a fig leaf for their hatred and their political agenda. I don't like the KKK. I hate everything they stand for. Their stances are morally repugnant to me, and they ought to be for everyone else. However, I will still defend their right to gather and peacefully demonstrate. Even if I don't like them. I support their right to print pamphlets and hand them out. I support their right to go on the radio and spout their crap (although I do believe they have a responsibility to not use speech likely to result in violence). I support their rights, even if I disagree with them.

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Author:	Rynar [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:55 pm ]
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Müs wrote: What's wrong with Atheism? Ask those on the wrong end of the guns of Lenin and Mao.

Author:	darksiege [ Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:40 am ]
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Monte wrote: Islam, like Christianity and other religions, is deeply flawed in my opinion. The Koran is no better or worse, in my mind, than the Bible. really? Then I must call bullshit, and say you are a liar. How many times have you gone out of your way to attack Islam the way you do Christianity? You, sir are a traitor to your own country, to your own race and I may not be Christian, but I have taken serious affront to the way you go to extreme lengths to bash one religion you claim is flawed with its bible... but go out and offhand defend anything another religion does because Christians "misunderstand" it.

Author:	Monte [ Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:05 pm ]
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darksiege wrote: really? Then I must call bullshit, and say you are a liar. How many times have you gone out of your way to attack Islam the way you do Christianity? I don't go out of my way to attack Christianity. Generally, when I bring up Christianity, it's because someone else has smeared another religion, and I use their standards and apply those standards to Christianity in order to make a point. Generally someone is attacking either Islam of Scientology. Quote: You, sir are a traitor to your own country, to your own race and I may not be Christian, but I have taken serious affront to the way you go to extreme lengths to bash one religion you claim is flawed with its bible... but go out and offhand defend anything another religion does because Christians "misunderstand" it. I am truly speechless. It's been since 2001 since someone on this board or any iteration of it called me a traitor. I'll remember that for the future. Apparently standing up for the 1st Amendment makes someone a traitor to their country and "race". Your willful ignorance of my position is just born of your own irrational hatred. Take a breath and realize that if it were a group of Christians wanting to build a religious temple at or near the OKC bombing site, I would be defending their rights just as avidly. This isn't about the religion itself. It's about our values as a nation.

Author:	Taskiss [ Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:13 pm ]
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Monte wrote: Take a breath and realize that if it were a group of Christians wanting to build a religious temple at or near the OKC bombing site, I would be defending their rights just as avidly. Not seeing you take on Islam for refusing to allow a church in Mecca, Monte. As I understand it, they have laws preventing it. Monte wrote: I use their standards and apply those standards ... in order to make a point. Where's the use of their standards, and the application of those standards in this case that you profess to do? Seems to me that if you were telling the truth, you'd have criticized the mosque right off the bat in that case.

Author:	Müs [ Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:59 pm ]
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Rynar wrote: Müs wrote: What's wrong with Atheism? Ask those on the wrong end of the guns of Lenin and Mao. I don't think Atheism was to blame there.

Author:	Diamondeye [ Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:01 pm ]
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Müs wrote: Rynar wrote: Müs wrote: What's wrong with Atheism? Ask those on the wrong end of the guns of Lenin and Mao. I don't think Atheism was to blame there. Not really, but we've had quite a few instances where people have tried to attribute all kinds of deaths to Christianity and then when those caused by Lenin, Stalin, Mao or others are attributed to Atheism, they cry foul.

Author:	RangerDave [ Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:15 pm ]
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darksiege wrote: You, sir are a traitor to your own country, to your own race.... Dude, calling someone a traitor to their race is just worlds of fail. I mean like break out the swastikas and burning crosses kind of fail.

Author:	Rynar [ Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:38 pm ]
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Diamondeye wrote: Müs wrote: Rynar wrote: Ask those on the wrong end of the guns of Lenin and Mao. I don't think Atheism was to blame there. Not really, but we've had quite a few instances where people have tried to attribute all kinds of deaths to Christianity and then when those caused by Lenin, Stalin, Mao or others are attributed to Atheism, they cry foul. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~geary20d/worldpolitics/maozedeng.html

Author:	Aizle [ Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:48 pm ]
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Rynar wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union Quote: The neutrality of this article is disputed. Please see the discussion on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved. (June 2010)