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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:27 am ] |
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Koran Burning Day? I think this is a bad idea. You certainly aren't going doing the cause any favors and won't be winning any Muslims to Christ with an attitude like that. Also the irony of protesting a deplorable yet legal building project with a deplorable yet legal book burning is not lost on me. I will however defend to the death your right to protest in this manner. Where is our President in all of this? It was necessary in his eyes for him to mediate a dispute between a private citizen and a local cop, but this is somehow a issue outside his role and scope? |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:30 am ] |
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What's the difference between this and Draw Mohammed Day? |
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| Author: | Rynar [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: In other first amendment News... |
Rorinthas wrote: Koran Burning Day? I think this is a bad idea. You certainly aren't going doing the cause any favors and won't be winning any Muslims to Christ with an attitude like that. Also the irony of protesting a deplorable yet legal building project with a deplorable yet legal book burning is not lost on me. I will however defend to the death your right to protest in this manner. Where is our President in all of this? It was necessary in his eyes for him to mediate a dispute between a private citizen and a local cop, but this is somehow a issue outside his role and scope? He has come down against it. Lex: really? |
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| Author: | Nitefox [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:47 am ] |
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I don't like what they are doing but this is no different than flag burning. Somebody trying to make a point with shock value. |
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| Author: | FarSky [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:01 am ] |
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What a damn fool. Ugly, ugly man. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:02 am ] |
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Yes he has but he is missing an opportunity to gain some favor and work though the situation, to his continued peril. |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:28 am ] |
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I don't understand how anyone can rationally say that Jesus would approve. |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:45 am ] |
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Rynar wrote: Lex: really? People wouldn't draw pictures of Mohammed unless they knew it would piss off Muslims. Same thing here. The intention is to do something offensive to Muslims. |
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| Author: | Lenas [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:12 pm ] |
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I've got to agree with Lex here. They're both just signs of disrespect for the religion and the people. |
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| Author: | Uncle Fester [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:22 pm ] |
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Same as burning bibles, flags, or the neo nazi march in Ill, constitutionally protected *** hattery. Hateful thing to do, yet brave, showing Muslims that nothing is above mockery and desecration. |
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| Author: | FarSky [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:15 pm ] |
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I have a really hard time referring to inflammatory assholes as being "brave." It's true in a technical sense, I suppose, but they don't deserve that amount of respect. |
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| Author: | Vindicarre [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:28 pm ] |
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Knowing how much I love my country, and my ambivalence toward Islam, I'm surprised to say that I find it more disgusting than flag burning. I guess it's the ignorance of the act; what burning a book represents on so many levels is viscerally abhorrent to me. |
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| Author: | FarSky [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:33 pm ] |
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There are certain things that creep me right the **** out. Burning books is one of them. A crowd of any size chanting in unison is another. Both show an incredible lack of independent thought and, usually, an ignorance that together, terrifies me. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:04 pm ] |
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General Petraeus evidently asked the "pastor" in question not to burn the Korans as it would fuel hatred and endanger the troops but... evidently was turned down. |
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| Author: | Rynar [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: In other first amendment News... |
Lex Luthor wrote: Rynar wrote: Lex: really? People wouldn't draw pictures of Mohammed unless they knew it would piss off Muslims. Same thing here. The intention is to do something offensive to Muslims. Completely untrue. There are lots of other reasons to draw pictures of Mohammed other than piss off Muslims, the fact that it antagonizes Muslim's is usually a side effect and not the purpose of the exercise. The public burning of the Koran? Not so much. |
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| Author: | Lenas [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:39 pm ] |
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Don't move goalposts, Rynar. We aren't talking about drawing Mohammed in general. Draw Mohammed Day was expressly meant to anger followers of Islam. Much like Koran burning is likely to do. |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:30 pm ] |
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Lenas wrote: Don't move goalposts, Rynar. We aren't talking about drawing Mohammed in general. Draw Mohammed Day was expressly meant to anger followers of Islam. Much like Koran burning is likely to do. This. The two events are directly comparable. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:46 pm ] |
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They are the same: both are rather ill thought out ideas fortunately protected by our first amendment rights. Much like the ground zero mosque. I would hope he changes his heart between now and Saturday. However if he doesn't then the government shouldn't try to change it for him. In a diverse society, the only way to protect your religious freedoms is to protect everyone's religious freedom (incidentally this is different than protecting people from religious influence. The ability to worship openly and have opportunities to influence people is part of that freedom.) |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:09 pm ] |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_ ... an_burning Quote: GAINESVILLE, Fla. (AP) — A Christian minister in Florida is canceling plans to burn Qurans on Sept. 11, heeding an international outcry that drew criticism from President Barack Obama and religious and political leaders across the Muslim world. Burning was called off. |
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| Author: | FarSky [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:19 pm ] |
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You know, this pastor Terry Jones' actions have caused me to lose respect for his work in Monty Python. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:00 pm ] |
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Vindicarre wrote: I find it more disgusting than flag burning. I guess it's the ignorance of the act; what burning a book represents on so many levels is viscerally abhorrent to me. This. Now, that said, I grudgingly but vehemently support his right to do this disgusting, ignorant, and damn stupid thing. Much as I'd support his right to walk through Harlem waving an "I hate Niggers!" sign, but not a request that a protective police escort accompany him while doing so... this is just dumb. People have a right to be ignorant **** idiots if they want to. |
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| Author: | Screeling [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:04 pm ] |
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/snore |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:10 pm ] |
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Lex Luthor wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_on_re_us/quran_burning Quote: GAINESVILLE, Fla. (AP) — A Christian minister in Florida is canceling plans to burn Qurans on Sept. 11, heeding an international outcry that drew criticism from President Barack Obama and religious and political leaders across the Muslim world. Burning was called off. Good. |
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| Author: | darksiege [ Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:33 am ] |
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FarSky wrote: You know, this pastor Terry Jones' actions have caused me to lose respect for his work in Monty Python. ?? ummmmm? huh? |
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| Author: | Colphax [ Fri Sep 10, 2010 1:59 am ] |
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Rorinthas wrote: Lex Luthor wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_on_re_us/quran_burning Quote: GAINESVILLE, Fla. (AP) — A Christian minister in Florida is canceling plans to burn Qurans on Sept. 11, heeding an international outcry that drew criticism from President Barack Obama and religious and political leaders across the Muslim world. Burning was called off. Good. Not so fast! Idiot "pastor" says he received a promise from an imam who is in no way associated with the Park51 project to move it away from Ground Zero. When the imam and the Park51 developers say they ain't moving, "Pastor" says the burning may yet happen. Holy crap, history is being written by hacks who can't get writing jobs in professional wrestling. |
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