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As Governor Chris Christie goes to war with the NJ teachers union, let's review what he's up against.
NJEA director Vince Giordano received $421,615 in salary and $128,508 in deferred compensation last year, according to tax filings released last spring.
NJEA president Barbara Keshishian earned $256,450 last year. VP Wendell Steinhauer and Secretary-Treasurer Marie Blistan were paid $170,974 each.
Meanwhile, the governor earned a measly $175,000.
Christie's war with the union escalated earlier this summer when a union official suggested praying for the governor's death. Last week, Christie lambasted a teacher at a public forum.

Christie's war on the leaders of the union is clearly a personal vendetta based on wealth envy, Vindi.

I thought the Union's primary goal was to serve the interests of their members.

Lesser of two evils yeah? Everyone pays 1.5% for healthcare, and noone gets a raise, but 95% of you keep your jobs, or, noone contributes to healthcare and everyone gets a 4.9% raise... but only 60% of you keep your jobs.

Seems like a no brainer to me.

I have no love for the teachers union, but it's a private entity and it can pay its execs whatever it wants. Go capitalism.

But, if they lose their jobs the union gets to blame Christie, Christie's numbers plummet and he's out in 4 years. The next governor knows who not to **** with and the unions get whatever their little hearts desire. Or that's how it used to work. So far he's survived rather well.

I have no love for the teachers union, but it's a private entity and it can pay its execs whatever it wants. Go capitalism.

I dont think it's this video but in one he mentions that in NJ, to be in the teachers union it's something like 820.00 a year. If you want to be out, you can, and it'll only be like 750.00 a year.

I dont mind unions as a general idea, they do provide a lot of value and use. I just think the pendulum has swung absurdly in their favor in many situations. The teachers union in NJ being a textbook example and the amount of waste, political bullying and corruption is disgusting.

Strikes make the playing field uneven, and doubly so in the public sector where they can do things like hold your kids education hostage.

I dont mind unions as a general idea, they do provide a lot of value and use. I just think the pendulum has swung absurdly in their favor in many situations.

Author:	Vindicarre [ Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:21 pm ]
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Just plain old facts. Oh, the head of the NJ teachers' Union makes $550,000 a year. Business Insider Quote: As Governor Chris Christie goes to war with the NJ teachers union, let's review what he's up against. NJEA director Vince Giordano received $421,615 in salary and $128,508 in deferred compensation last year, according to tax filings released last spring. NJEA president Barbara Keshishian earned $256,450 last year. VP Wendell Steinhauer and Secretary-Treasurer Marie Blistan were paid $170,974 each. Meanwhile, the governor earned a measly $175,000. Christie's war with the union escalated earlier this summer when a union official suggested praying for the governor's death. Last week, Christie lambasted a teacher at a public forum.

Author:	Müs [ Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:37 pm ]
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Pwnt.

Author:	Talya [ Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:40 pm ]
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I like him.

Author:	Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:43 pm ]
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Christie's war on the leaders of the union is clearly a personal vendetta based on wealth envy, Vindi.

Author:	Müs [ Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:50 pm ]
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I thought the Union's primary goal was to serve the interests of their members. Lesser of two evils yeah? Everyone pays 1.5% for healthcare, and noone gets a raise, but 95% of you keep your jobs, or, noone contributes to healthcare and everyone gets a 4.9% raise... but only 60% of you keep your jobs. Seems like a no brainer to me.

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Author:	Vindicarre [ Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:13 pm ]
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Kaffis Mark V wrote: Christie's war on the leaders of the union is clearly a personal vendetta based on wealth envy, Vindi. Ahh, yes, that's why I make it a personal policy to vote for the richest candidate regardless of qualifications. /nod

Author:	Dash [ Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:45 pm ]
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Müs wrote: I thought the Union's primary goal was to serve the interests of their members. Lesser of two evils yeah? Everyone pays 1.5% for healthcare, and noone gets a raise, but 95% of you keep your jobs, or, noone contributes to healthcare and everyone gets a 4.9% raise... but only 60% of you keep your jobs. Seems like a no brainer to me. But, if they lose their jobs the union gets to blame Christie, Christie's numbers plummet and he's out in 4 years. The next governor knows who not to **** with and the unions get whatever their little hearts desire. Or that's how it used to work. So far he's survived rather well.

Author:	DFK! [ Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:22 pm ]
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Müs wrote: I thought the Union's primary goal was to serve the interests of their members. Lesser of two evils yeah? Everyone pays 1.5% for healthcare, and noone gets a raise, but 95% of you keep your jobs, or, noone contributes to healthcare and everyone gets a 4.9% raise... but only 60% of you keep your jobs. Seems like a no brainer to me. Using logic is so 19th century.

Author:	Rorinthas [ Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:48 pm ]
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I have no love for the teachers union, but it's a private entity and it can pay its execs whatever it wants. Go capitalism.

Author:	darksiege [ Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:06 pm ]
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you know... based on this video: I like this Christie guy. I hope he nutkicks the union so hard that their kids cough up a ball. I do however have a question or so... How in the crap did the previous governor spend a BILLION dollars for the education system in one **** year? and does it strike anyone else as odd that the billion went away in one year... on a re-election year?

Author:	Jasmy [ Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:50 pm ]
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Can we clone this guy and spread him around some???

Author:	Vindicarre [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:29 am ]
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Rorinthas wrote: I have no love for the teachers union, but it's a private entity and it can pay its execs whatever it wants. Go capitalism. Absolutely. I find it laughable, however, that the head of the union that makes its money directly from the teachers and supposedly exists solely for the benefit of teachers makes ten times what the average NJ high school teacher pulls in, while the teachers are crying poor.

Author:	Hannibal [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:01 am ]
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Dash wrote: But, if they lose their jobs the union gets to blame Christie, Christie's numbers plummet and he's out in 4 years. The next governor knows who not to **** with and the unions get whatever their little hearts desire. Or that's how it used to work. So far he's survived rather well. The teachers have actively campaigned against Christie from the start. He doesn't need their vote and has done a great job of keeping his message focused and demonstrating their inflexability. So if the teachers lose their jobs, it will barely affect christie. He will be able to toss it right back at the unions showing how they have turned it into an all or nothing game. At the same time, unions are there to advance their profession, so how they spend and compensate folks is their business. Just shows that the union is putting the Union above the members.

Author:	Screeling [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:45 am ]
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That governor rocks like Foghat on a warm summer night.

Author:	Ladas [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:37 am ]
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Obama is moving to fix that trend RD. Have been following the actions of the labor board with his new appointment?

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Author:	Ienan [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:54 am ]
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Rorinthas wrote: I have no love for the teachers union, but it's a private entity and it can pay its execs whatever it wants. Go capitalism. But what about when teachers are essentially forced (or in some cases, actually forced) to donate to the union? That's no longer capitalism at that point. That's flat out stealing.

Author:	Dash [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:09 am ]
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I dont think it's this video but in one he mentions that in NJ, to be in the teachers union it's something like 820.00 a year. If you want to be out, you can, and it'll only be like 750.00 a year.

Author:	Rorinthas [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:59 am ]
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Dash wrote: I dont think it's this video but in one he mentions that in NJ, to be in the teachers union it's something like 820.00 a year. If you want to be out, you can, and it'll only be like 750.00 a year. I don't know about NJ but in Ohio if you are out you can direct that 750 away from the Union and into a charity. Yeah it still has to come out. Preferably I'd like to see Union shop model go away, but right now it's the cost of admission for being a public school teacher. That's a separate issue from the right to pay what you want to pay for services rendered.

Author:	Dash [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:27 am ]
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I dont mind unions as a general idea, they do provide a lot of value and use. I just think the pendulum has swung absurdly in their favor in many situations. The teachers union in NJ being a textbook example and the amount of waste, political bullying and corruption is disgusting.

Author:	Talya [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:56 am ]
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Dash wrote: I dont mind unions as a general idea, they do provide a lot of value and use. I just think the pendulum has swung absurdly in their favor in many situations. The teachers union in NJ being a textbook example and the amount of waste, political bullying and corruption is disgusting. In private enterprise believe Unions should succeed or fail based on their own merits (the support of and demand for the workers), without government protections making unions pretty much untouchable. However, when it comes to the public sector, I would make it absolutely illegal for the government to "bargain collectively" with its employees. Form all the unions you want, but the government would not deal with them, there would be no binding CBAs or the like. Unions would not be permitted to hold the taxpayer hostage. Treating employees fairly becomes irrelevant when that employee is living off of taxpayer expense. You have no right to make a decent living or be treated well off of the public teat. The government should only pay what it has to pay to attract qualified employees, that alone should be enough. Public sector unions must be eliminated.

Author:	Rorinthas [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:00 am ]
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If more teachers stood up and enough and opted out, then the Union would have to change or die. As it stands most teachers fear their local school boards more than they dislike union thuggery.

Author:	Diamondeye [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:02 am ]
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Public sector unions are fine - when they are prohibited from going on strike. That's the problem with public sector unions; those that strike can hold the taxpayer hostage. There's nothing wrong with collective bargaining on an even playing field. Strikes make the playing field uneven, and doubly so in the public sector where they can do things like hold your kids education hostage.

Author:	Khross [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:32 am ]
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Diamondeye wrote: Strikes make the playing field uneven, and doubly so in the public sector where they can do things like hold your kids education hostage. You probably shouldn't be breeding if you think the public sector can hold your children's education hostage. You definitely shouldn't be breeding if you give it the power to do so.

Author:	Hopwin [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:35 am ]
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Dash wrote: I dont mind unions as a general idea, they do provide a lot of value and use. I just think the pendulum has swung absurdly in their favor in many situations. The teachers union in NJ being a textbook example and the amount of waste, political bullying and corruption is disgusting. I kind of disagree. I think that most unions have lost their power as evidenced by their vastly reduced rosters. To compensate for the loss of membership I feel that they have adapted radical, ridiculous, hard-line stances in the places where they still have a toehold in an effort to remain relevant.

Author:	RangerDave [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:36 am ]
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Dash wrote: I dont mind unions as a general idea, they do provide a lot of value and use. I just think the pendulum has swung absurdly in their favor in many situations. Huh. I have the opposite impression, actually. I know union membership has gone way down in the last 30-40 years, and I think the general public attitude towards them is much more negative than it used to be. Also, didn't unions lose a lot of legislative battles over things like right-to-work laws and so forth in the 80s, 90s, and 00s?