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Teachers are being forced to report children as young as three to the authorities for using alleged ‘racist’ language, it was claimed last night.
Munira Mirza, a senior advisor to London Mayor Boris Johnson, said schools were being made to spy on nursery age youngsters by the Race Relations Act 2000.
More than a quarter of a million children have been accused of racism since it became law, she said

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z10Po6JA8t

U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan vowed on Tuesday that his department would work to make American children into "good environmental citizens" through federally subsidized school programs beginning as early as kindergarten that teach children about climate change and prepare them "to contribute to the workforce through green jobs."

when I was a kid 25-30 years ago

RangerDave wrote:

when I was a kid 25-30 years ago

Incidentally, I think that's the most depressing thing I've ever written. F*ck I'm old now! :lol:

How about letting my math teacher just teach math, history teqachers teach *gasp* history, and the science teachers teach science.

Do you have your kids read Mein Kampf?

What history do you want to teach?

Arathain Kelvar wrote:

What history do you want to teach?

Assuming we're discussing public schools, history is not an appropriate topic given the propensity of ~~government run industries~~ everyone to issue an "approved" version of events.

No, you didn't fix anything.

No, not everything is written from a specific point of view. A frame of reference may exist, but that's an entirely different beast. Who was the first person to sign the Declaration of Independence?

You'll have a class full of kids that don't understand history but know a bunch of dates.

Arathain Kelvar wrote:

You'll have a class full of kids that don't understand history but know a bunch of dates.

What do you mean "don't understand history"? Do you know why the Americas seceded from Great Britain? Because, honestly, "why" is one of those things you honestly can't know.

But you can't teach history to kids without the *why*, Khross.... the thing about history is in order to teach it *well* to children, it needs to be in some sort of story-telling framework.

If you say at such and such a date *this* happened, two years later *that* happened....kids will want to know why and how...you must teach history in a way that contains at least *some* bias.

Interpretation and analysis is absolutely necessary to understand history.

Author:	Uncle Fester [ Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:48 pm ]
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... l?ITO=1490 British children as young as 3 accused of racism. Quote: Teachers are being forced to report children as young as three to the authorities for using alleged ‘racist’ language, it was claimed last night. Munira Mirza, a senior advisor to London Mayor Boris Johnson, said schools were being made to spy on nursery age youngsters by the Race Relations Act 2000. More than a quarter of a million children have been accused of racism since it became law, she said Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z10Po6JA8t http://cnsnews.com/news/article/75711 And the Secretary pledges to make students.. Quote: U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan vowed on Tuesday that his department would work to make American children into "good environmental citizens" through federally subsidized school programs beginning as early as kindergarten that teach children about climate change and prepare them "to contribute to the workforce through green jobs." Ok when I have kids I will home school or private school no matter what the cost.

Author:	darksiege [ Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:07 pm ]
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I am sorry that I brought a life into this shithole of a planet. Not by this one act, but this kind of **** does not help.

Author:	Hannibal [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:23 am ]
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These things are cumulative. Why do these educators insist on trying social experiments on children when the educators are failing to impart the knowledge they were supposed to teach? How about letting my math teacher just teach math, history teqachers teach gasp history, and the science teachers teach science. Teachers have a hard enough job and are hogtied enough by society to keep piling on this BS

Author:	LadyKate [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:40 am ]
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At what point in history did teaching our school begin to have less to do with learning the three R's and more to do with societal influences and politics? If you compare the typical third grade education today with one received 30 years ago, I wonder how drastic the difference would be. I feel like there is much less teaching of core subjects going on and much more of the 'putting stuff into our kids heads that doesn't need to be there.' Really. Three year olds being accused of racism? That is right up there on my list of the most retarded things you can find in an education system. We traded the old-fashioned problems of teachers beating the children in class for the govt and the teachers insisting on being in control of more than just the child's education...the way they think, act, talk, walk, dress....its too much. Teach the core subjects but leave the rest of it to the kids and the parents to figure out.

Author:	Khross [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:48 am ]
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So many thoughts; so many reasons to shoot people ...

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Author:	RangerDave [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:12 am ]
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Busting 3-year olds for racism is pretty stupid, but the environmental stuff strikes me as no big deal. Did you guys not have civics and community service activities in your elementary schools - e.g., canned food drives at Thanksgiving & Christmas; green-up days in the spring where you helped rake the leaves and pick up trash in the town park; memorial day activities where you wrote letters to soldiers or had a vet in the class as a guest speaker; community service things like visiting an old folks home; civics programs where you held mock elections, wrote to your Congressman, etc.? Those were all pretty common when I was a kid 25-30 years ago, and I don't see much difference between that stuff and teaching about "environmental citizenship".

Author:	Elmarnieh [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:18 am ]
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Check out a textbook that jr high kids are using sometime RD.

Author:	LadyKate [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:27 am ]
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I don't have a problem with the environmental stuff either...we were all trying to save the rainforest in elementary school....the huge thing when I was a kid was those big mean beef farmers were going to kill the planet by cutting down the rainforest. It was good for us to have something to think about besides ourselves. I see the whole 'green' movement and global warming as the same sort of thing for the next generation.

Author:	RangerDave [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:35 am ]
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RangerDave wrote: when I was a kid 25-30 years ago Incidentally, I think that's the most depressing thing I've ever written. F*ck I'm old now!

Author:	Aizle [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:39 am ]
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RangerDave wrote: RangerDave wrote: when I was a kid 25-30 years ago Incidentally, I think that's the most depressing thing I've ever written. F*ck I'm old now! Yeah, right there with ya. I turned 40 this year.

Author:	Arathain Kelvar [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:47 am ]
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Hannibal wrote: How about letting my math teacher just teach math, history teqachers teach gasp history, and the science teachers teach science. With the exception of mathematics, these are not black and white subjects. Is climate change included in "science"? What history do you want to teach? From what angle? Do you teach that the Native Americans were responsible for genocide? What about blacks owning slaves? You can't teach everything, not enough time, so what do you cut out? Corporate history? Union history? Political history? Do you have your kids read Mein Kampf?

Author:	Müs [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:05 pm ]
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Arathain Kelvar wrote: Do you have your kids read Mein Kampf? Of course. In addition they will read: This book And this book To prepare them for life in the future USA.

Author:	Khross [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:15 pm ]
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Arathain Kelvar wrote: What history do you want to teach? Assuming we're discussing public schools, history is not an appropriate topic given the propensity of government run industries to issue an "approved" version of events.

Author:	Khross [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:22 pm ]
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No, you didn't fix anything.

Author:	Khross [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:42 pm ]
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Arathain: No, seriously, who was the first person to sign the Declaration of Independence? More importantly, who was the First President of the United States? Or, better yet, when was Adolph Hitler born? Verifiable historical facts don't change. They are simply are. The event itself becomes and artifact. Its occurrence cannot be altered by stating that said thing actually happened.

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Author:	Khross [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:33 pm ]
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No, not everything is written from a specific point of view. A frame of reference may exist, but that's an entirely different beast. Who was the first person to sign the Declaration of Independence?

Author:	Khross [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:13 pm ]
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Arathain Kelvar wrote: You'll have a class full of kids that don't understand history but know a bunch of dates. What do you mean "don't understand history"? Do you know why the Americas seceded from Great Britain? Because, honestly, "why" is one of those things you honestly can't know.

Author:	LadyKate [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:14 pm ]
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But you can't teach history to kids without the why, Khross.... the thing about history is in order to teach it well to children, it needs to be in some sort of story-telling framework. If you say at such and such a date this happened, two years later that happened....kids will want to know why and how...you must teach history in a way that contains at least some bias.

Author:	Khross [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:25 pm ]
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LadyKate wrote: But you can't teach history to kids without the why, Khross.... the thing about history is in order to teach it well to children, it needs to be in some sort of story-telling framework. It actually doesn't, that's imply a byproduct of the societal need to create "master narrative". I deal with a lot of history in my research and work. I deal with a phenomenal amount of history, in point of fact. That doesn't mean I actually know why. I know various conjectures as to "why", but I can't and won't know "why", because "why" is one of those fundamentally unknowable things. LadyKate wrote: If you say at such and such a date this happened, two years later that happened....kids will want to know why and how...you must teach history in a way that contains at least some bias. You aren't required to teach it in any such way. Children can fill in their own "why" based on their personal aggregation of facts.

Author:	Khross [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:27 pm ]
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Arathain Kelvar wrote: Interpretation and analysis is absolutely necessary to understand history. They really aren't. You're not studying cultural or social phenomenology. So what reason do you have to know "why" something happened? Or, more importantly, to create a reason "why"?