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Author:  RangerDave [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:37 pm ]
Post subject:  The Police Officer's Dilemma
Interesting little game/test. You have to differentiate between pictures of armed and unarmed people as quickly as possible. Shoot the armed ones by pressing "/" and holster your weapon for the unarmed ones by pressing "z".

Play the game before looking at other people's results/comments.

Shooter Game/Test

Spoiler:
My results:
Your Score: 550
Average reaction time:
Black Armed:607.24ms
Black Unarmed:617.44ms
White Armed:639.08ms
White Unarmed:635.84ms

Seems that I'm guilty of the typical racial bias in my decision-making: I'm slower to make a decision with white people than I am with black people generally; I'm quickest with the bias-confirming "Black Armed" category; and I'm slowest with the counter-bias "White Armed" category.

The actual study this is from measured accuracy data too, but apparently the web game doesn't provide it. Anyway, here's the brief discussion page:

http://home.uchicago.edu/~jcorrell/TPOD.html
Author:  Diamondeye [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Police Officer's Dilemma
Spoiler:
Game Over
Your Score: 660
Average reaction time:
Black Armed:723.8ms
Black Unarmed:763.88ms
White Armed:734.8ms
White Unarmed:759.04ms

I'm about the same on both races, but I'm also about 1/10th of a second older than RD. Then again I've never had the fastest reflexes. I just look straight at the hand first though. I think every one of the subjects was right-handed. I also notice I'm slightly slower with unarmed than armed subjects; I think that's because my left hand is clicking that button and I'm not left-handed.

Also intersting that all the scenes were broad daylight. I didn't see any female subjects either, but I wsn't looking closely for that.
Author:  Rynar [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Police Officer's Dilemma
Spoiler:
Game Over
Your Score: 585
Average reaction time:
Black Armed:648.88ms
Black Unarmed:821.84ms
White Armed:682.56ms
White Unarmed:757.56ms
Author:  Ienan [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Police Officer's Dilemma
Spoiler:
Your Score: 600
Average reaction time:
Black Armed:573.92ms
Black Unarmed:706.56ms
White Armed:609.4ms
White Unarmed:677.96ms

Interesting results I suppose.
Author:  Xequecal [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Police Officer's Dilemma
Spoiler:
Game Over
Your Score: 680
Average reaction time:
Black Armed:578.96ms
Black Unarmed:686.88ms
White Armed:616.88ms
White Unarmed:653.76ms
Author:  Khross [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Police Officer's Dilemma
Xequecal, you copied Ienan's post.
Author:  Aizle [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Police Officer's Dilemma
Spoiler:
Game Over
Your Score: 650
Average reaction time:
Black Armed:635.84ms
Black Unarmed:756.24ms
White Armed:656.4ms
White Unarmed:713.16ms
Author:  Aizle [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Police Officer's Dilemma
Khross wrote:
Xequecal, you copied Vindicarre's post.


Wrong forum? Vindi didn't post in this thread.
Author:  Khross [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Police Officer's Dilemma
Spoiler:
Game Over
Your Score: 750
Average reaction time:
Black Armed:636ms
Black Unarmed:676.48ms
White Armed:660.08ms
White Unarmed:638.32ms
Author:  Taskiss [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:45 pm ]
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I've not been able to devote the time to this, but I've noticed that the background behind whatever is in the person's hand critical in determining what he's carrying. That's hardly a white/black thing.
Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:47 pm ]
Post subject: 
Spoiler:
Game Over
Your Score: 595
Average reaction time:
Black Armed:738.4ms
Black Unarmed:806.08ms
White Armed:710.52ms
White Unarmed:741.6ms

For a study trying to compare apples to apples, it sure came up with some terrible contrast scenarios several times.
Edit: Yeah, essentially what Taskiss said.
Author:  Elmarnieh [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:14 pm ]
Post subject: 
Spoiler:
Game Over
Your Score: 700
Average reaction time:
Black Armed:630.92ms
Black Unarmed:599.24ms
White Armed:555.6ms
White Unarmed:597.72ms
Author:  Elmarnieh [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:15 pm ]
Post subject: 
Missed the first few because I switched up the holster and shoot buttons.

I don't get the point of it. Went on for a while.
Author:  Müs [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:29 pm ]
Post subject: 
Spoiler:
Game Over
Your Score: -970
Average reaction time:
Black Armed:536.08ms
Black Unarmed:553.6ms
White Armed:1573ms
White Unarmed:728.48ms


I only shot the black people. And one dude that looked like Hitler.
Author:  Rodahn [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:35 pm ]
Post subject: 
Spoiler:
Quote:
Game Over
Your Score: 610
Average reaction time:
Black Armed:658.64ms
Black Unarmed:798.12ms
White Armed:668.04ms
White Unarmed:726.64ms


Time difference in decision to shoot whites and blacks is virtually nil (a good think, I guess). Decision to holster is a tad bigger discrep. Thing that got me the most was trying to identify what was a jammy, and what wasn't.

Anyway, strange game Prof. Fulken. How about a nice game of chess?
Author:  Corolinth [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:39 pm ]
Post subject: 
I got tired of playing before it was finished.
Author:  Khross [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Police Officer's Dilemma
By the way, the game is ridiculously biased.
Author:  Diamondeye [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Police Officer's Dilemma
It's got a lot of problems. For one thing, you only shoot with one hand. For another thing, you have a lot longer than one second to make a decision.

You also don't have to answer the phone in the middle of it.
Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Police Officer's Dilemma
Spoiler:
Game Over
Your Score: 715
Average reaction time:
Black Armed:642.04ms
Black Unarmed:722.28ms
White Armed:661.84ms
White Unarmed:676.68ms

I was too slow on two of them. One, because I had an itch, and the second because they threw in a left-hander in a sea of right-handed images and it caught me off guard.

Also, I think my reactions probably slowed down at the end when I got to the "OMG make this stop" part.

So am I a racist?
Author:  Khross [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Police Officer's Dilemma
1. There's a major clothing discrepancy between races.

2. There's a curious thing about how the Black participants hold innocuous objects and the White participants hold Firearms that's intended to bias your perceptions.

The test skews the results toward that disparity.
Author:  TheRiov [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:49 pm ]
Post subject: 
Spoiler:
Game Over
Your Score: 700
Average reaction time:
Black Armed:674.84ms
Black Unarmed:718.76ms
White Armed:679.96ms
White Unarmed:707.56ms
Author:  RangerDave [ Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Police Officer's Dilemma
Khross wrote:
1. There's a major clothing discrepancy between races.

2. There's a curious thing about how the Black participants hold innocuous objects and the White participants hold Firearms that's intended to bias your perceptions.


I just went through the game again, going slowly this time, and I didn't notice number 2 at all. Can you be more specific about what you're referring to? As for number 1, there is a difference in clothing, but I don't think it's problematic, since it just reflects the differences in style that black and white people tend to adopt in the real world. For instance, compare the pics of white guys in shorts and t-shirts with the pics of black guys in shorts and t-shirts: the black guys are wearing baggier shirts and longer shorts, because that's the kind of style most youngish black guys actually choose when they wear shorts and t-shirts. If a player associates baggy clothes, hoodies, etc. with criminals, what that really means is they associate the styles black people wear with criminals, which sounds an awful lot like simply associating black people with criminals and blaming it on the clothes.
Author:  Khross [ Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Police Officer's Dilemma
Several images of a white individual with the revolver have it held in such a way that you can easily mistake it for the silver beer can. Likewise, several images of a black individual with a cellphone have it held as if the antenna is being used as a pointer.
Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Police Officer's Dilemma
Except that style of dress is not exclusively black. It's also pretty common to young white kids who are criminals, who live in predominantly black areas, who glorify criminals, or who know it makes their parents angry.

The reason that most people associate that dress with young black men and criminals is that it originated with young black gang members, who are almost all criminals, and who represent a disproportionate number of black youth. This in turn is because blacks are more likely to live in poor, urban, high crime areas and grow up learning that criminal behavior is their lot in life.

I didn't look closely enough at the races to see. Like I said, my reflexes are not all that fast as you can see from my results (all my point loss was from busting the time limit), and my habit is to look at the hands anyhow.

That said, I found a number of the body postures totally bizarre for the object being held, and I didn't notice whether those were black or white subjects. I think that is what Khross was trying to say; the fashion in which the white subjects hold guns and black subjects hold harmless objects is conducive to wrong decisions in those cases. A guy taking one knee while holding a cell phone pointed down at the floor like a gun.. that's pretty clearly intended to trick you as very few people would ever hold a phone like that.
Author:  Elmarnieh [ Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:48 am ]
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What threw me was a dark phone or gun over dark clothing.
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