The Glade 4.0

"Turn the lights down, the party just got wilder."
It is currently Sun Nov 24, 2024 12:52 am

View unanswered posts | View active topics


Board index » The Glade » Hellfire

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]



Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 1 of 1
  [ 18 posts ] 
  Print view Previous topic | Next topic 
Author Message
Rynar
PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:29 pm 
Offline
Not a F'n Boy Scout
User avatar

Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:10 pm
Posts: 5202
http://azstarnet.com/news/blogs/pueblo-politics/article_3bbf4f4e-e12c-11df-b57f-001cc4c002e0.html

Quote:
Court overturns Arizona's proof of citizenship requirement for voter registration
Rhonda Bodfield, Arizona Daily Star

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has overturned Arizona’s requirement that people show proof of citizenship to register to vote.

The split decision by a three-judge panel determined that the requirement to show proof of citizenship — passed by voters in 2004 — is not consistent with the National Voter Registration Act.

Associate Justice Sandra Day O’Connor, temporarily sitting by designation, and Circuit Judge Sandra Ikuta, with chief judge Alex Kozinski dissenting, said Prop. 200 creates an additional hurdle, while the national act is intended to reduce “state-imposed obstacles” to registration.

The majority noted that Congress was well aware of the problem of voter fraud when it passed the voter act, and built in sufficient protections, including applying perjury penalties to applicants who lie about their eligibilty.

The court determined Arizona’s polling place photo identification requirement, however, is a minimal burden and does not violate the Equal Protection Clause in the 14th Amendment.

Attorney General Terry Goddard’s office is still reviewing the decision and was unavailable for comment.

Secretary of State Ken Bennett said he does not anticipate that the ruling will make any difference in voting next week, since it wasn’t in place when registration closed Oct. 4.

Bennett said the state plans to appeal the ruling, adding he disagrees the documentation sets up a barrier for registration. “I think it’s an outrage and a slap in the face of Arizonans who are concerned about the integrity of elections,” he said.

_________________
Quote:
19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

Ezekiel 23:19-20 
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Müs
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:43 pm 
Offline
I got nothin.
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:15 pm
Posts: 11160
Location: Arafys, AKA El Müso Guapo!
How is showing proof of citizenship a "burden"?

_________________
Image
Holy shitsnacks!
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Lenas
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:45 pm 
Offline
Web Ninja
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:32 pm
Posts: 8248
Location: The Tunt Mansion
**** retarded.
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Rorinthas
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:58 pm 
Offline
pbp Hack
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:45 pm
Posts: 7585
what kind of proof of citizenship would be required other than a driver license (which is still being upheld)? Birth Cert? SS Card? aka the things I had to show to get my driver's license?

_________________
I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Kaffis Mark V
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:58 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:59 pm
Posts: 9412
Rorinthas wrote:
what kind of proof of citizenship would be required other than a driver license (which is still being upheld)? Birth Cert? SS Card? aka the things I had to show to get my driver's license?

Don't have to be a citizen to have a license, at least not in most states. Does AZ have any identifying marks on the license for non-citizens?

_________________
"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
TheRiov
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:59 am 
Offline
Rihannsu Commander

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:31 am
Posts: 4709
Location: Cincinnati OH
you still have to appear on the voting roles and your drivers lic. is checked against the list of people registered to vote.

lets be honest, the thread title is false. You STILL must be a citizen to vote. You just don't have to provide documentation beyond a photo ID when you go to the polls. (which you still must do)

To vote:
You must REGISTER to vote (donno about AZ but that's done most the time at the DMV or County Clerk's office when you get your driver's lic/state ID card. At that time you have to provide proof of Identity (SS card, etc)

I don't see how making people bring that same documentation to the polls does anything but add time and expense for all parties. The documents are still just as falsifiable and probably less secure at the polls which are typically staffed by people with a few hrs of training at most (at least the folks at the DMV look at the stuff day in and day out and have more training)
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Kaffis Mark V
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:33 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:59 pm
Posts: 9412
Reread the first line of the article, Riov; the court overturned the requirement to show proof of citizenship to *register* to vote.

_________________
"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Taskiss
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:13 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:59 am
Posts: 3879
Location: 63368
Müs wrote:
How is showing proof of citizenship a "burden"?

It's a pain in the ***.

I just had to renew my drivers license. The last time I renewed it was 10 years ago. The requirement was to have my birth certificate, SSN and proof of residence (various methods for this, I used a utility bill).

My existing drivers license wasn't expired yet, and that is all the proof I've needed to establish identity before that. Showing proof of identity, to me, is showing my license. All that other crap qualifies as "burden" in my book.

Well, not a burden to me personally, but I had to have my wife find all that stuff, and I'm sure she was burdened. :)

_________________
In time, this too shall pass.
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Lex Luthor
 Post subject: Re: Re:
PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:47 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:03 am
Posts: 4922
Taskiss wrote:
It's a pain in the ***.


So is voting... I'd guess, I haven't done it before.
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Diamondeye
 Post subject: Re: Re:
PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:01 pm 
Offline
Commence Primary Ignition
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:59 am
Posts: 15740
Location: Combat Information Center
Lex Luthor wrote:
Taskiss wrote:
It's a pain in the ***.


So is voting... I'd guess, I haven't done it before.


Far less than you'd imagine. It doesn't take long. Mostly its a pin if you're going to be out of town.

_________________
"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Lex Luthor
 Post subject: Re: Re:
PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:15 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:03 am
Posts: 4922
Diamondeye wrote:
Lex Luthor wrote:
Taskiss wrote:
It's a pain in the ***.


So is voting... I'd guess, I haven't done it before.


Far less than you'd imagine. It doesn't take long. Mostly its a pin if you're going to be out of town.


I always have imagined a situation like the RMV.
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Vindicarre
 Post subject: Re: Re:
PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:28 pm 
Offline
Noli me calcare
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:26 am
Posts: 4747
Lex Luthor wrote:
Taskiss wrote:
It's a pain in the ***.


So is voting... I'd guess, I haven't done it before.


Looks like MoveOn.org created an ad just for you:



C'mon man, don't let them down, or Republicorp will takeover...
:lol:

_________________
"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Image
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Taskiss
 Post subject: Re: Re:
PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:46 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:59 am
Posts: 3879
Location: 63368
Diamondeye wrote:
Lex Luthor wrote:
Taskiss wrote:
It's a pain in the ***.


So is voting... I'd guess, I haven't done it before.


Far less than you'd imagine. It doesn't take long. Mostly its a pin if you're going to be out of town.

In Missouri, they send me a postcard, I show up with it and give it to them, and then I fill out the ballot.

You register to vote at the license bureau.

_________________
In time, this too shall pass.
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Kaffis Mark V
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:05 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:59 pm
Posts: 9412
So, wait, if I vote for Palin in 2012, she'll finally give the Pacific Ocean the ass-kicking it deserves?

_________________
"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Rorinthas
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:01 pm 
Offline
pbp Hack
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:45 pm
Posts: 7585
Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Reread the first line of the article, Riov; the court overturned the requirement to show proof of citizenship to *register* to vote.

Ooh, yuck that's different.

_________________
I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Müs
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:28 pm 
Offline
I got nothin.
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:15 pm
Posts: 11160
Location: Arafys, AKA El Müso Guapo!
Ok that ad was kinda retarded... but Mr. Caruthers... GENIUS!

_________________
Image
Holy shitsnacks!
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Stathol
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:47 pm 
Offline
Lean, Mean, Googling Machine
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:35 am
Posts: 2903
Location: Maze of twisty little passages, all alike
Even if it is a burden...so what? Being a citizen is a requirement to vote. The purpose of voter registration is to validate the eligibility requirements of those who wish to vote. So, requiring proof of citizenship is entirely reasonable, even if it is a "burden". I'm all in favor of "the government which governs least governs best", but that doesn't mean that it's automatically wrong for the government to impose on the people. If doing so is legitimately necessary and proper for it to fulfill its obligations to the public, then so be it.

_________________
Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Lex Luthor
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:57 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:03 am
Posts: 4922
Computer security is a burden too but is necessary. And it's very analogous to this... who can access what.
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 1 of 1
  [ 18 posts ] 

Board index » The Glade » Hellfire

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 296 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group