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Author:  Raltar [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:41 am ]
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/23 ... ry-island/
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/1 ... 1&iref=BN1
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40329269/ns ... iapacific/

I wonder how far this is going to go? I'm not entirely familiar with the situation in Korea, but they don't bomb each other all the time, do they?

Author:  Wwen [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:31 am ]
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Yeah, I'm on full alert... not. This **** happens all the time.

Author:  Aizle [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:40 am ]
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Wwen wrote:
Yeah, I'm on full alert... not. This **** happens all the time.


While there are squabbles, what I heard on NPR this morning is that this is the worst attack since the war.

Author:  Lex Luthor [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:44 am ]
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Something serious is going to happen because of this... I have the feeling that this incident and follow-ups will consume the news for months.

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Just watch how everyone will forget about TSA scanners. :P

Author:  Hannibal [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:00 am ]
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It's the same guys who secretly wired the WTC to implode when an airplane hit it. They are doing this to distract us from economic news, distract us from causing issues at the airports, and the special Halliburton team from Xe is setting it up so when Jeb Bush wins in 2012 he can immediatly invate NK and Iran.

I mean duh, you guys are noobs.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:02 am ]
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Probably not any more than that ship getting torpedoed did. Like Wwen sid, **** happens all the time.

I find it amusing that Kim Jong Il's son is the first chubby Nork I've ever seen.

Author:  Dash [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:16 am ]
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2 Marines dead and 14 wounded. More died when they sunk that ship but I seem to remember North Korea simply denying they did that.

Author:  Müs [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:28 am ]
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Diamondeye wrote:
Probably not any more than that ship getting torpedoed did. Like Wwen sid, **** happens all the time.

I find it amusing that Kim Jong Il's son is the first chubby Nork I've ever seen.


Kim Jong Il's not exactly supermodel thin either.

Also, I like the term Nork.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:30 am ]
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Dash wrote:
2 Marines dead and 14 wounded. More died when they sunk that ship but I seem to remember North Korea simply denying they did that.

Yeah but that's sort of like your kid denying they took cookies when the cookie jar is empty and no one else is home.

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Author:  Vindicarre [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:42 am ]
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I'm just waiting for the UN to condemn Israel over the attack.

Author:  Uncle Fester [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:48 pm ]
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Time to cut off all aid, and let N.Korea start really starving or make it all China's burden


Vindicarre wrote:
I'm just waiting for the UN to condemn Israel over the attack.



sad...sad but true.

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:22 pm ]
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What is the point? I can't figure out what NK is trying to pull off with all this crap.

Author:  Ladas [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:24 pm ]
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The warranty on their shells runs out at the end of the month.

Author:  Hannibal [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:29 pm ]
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Uncle Fester wrote:
Time to cut off all aid, and let N.Korea start really starving or make it all China's burden


Vindicarre wrote:
I'm just waiting for the UN to condemn Israel over the attack.



sad...sad but true.



With their veto, China will never let their attack terrier be affected like they should be. At most it will feed into Chinas control of NK, by keeping NK hungry. So either we (The US) man up and go up the foodchain to China, or we take it like a nancy and realize that it's checkmate- China. They own us economically, and have our balls in a vice in Korea.

Author:  Ladas [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:44 pm ]
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I disagree with your assessment Hannibal. SK is attack dog on the chain, with big **** teeth, being held back from demolishing the rat-dog to the north.

China has no interest in the US losing influence over SK, or pushing SK to not care and attack.

Author:  Xequecal [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:47 pm ]
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South Korea doesn't want responsibility for feeding 20 million people if they decapitate NK's military and government.

Author:  Ladas [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:52 pm ]
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Xequecal wrote:
South Korea doesn't want responsibility for feeding 20 million people if they decapitate NK's military and government.

Not even a consideration. The US already supplies the majority of the food aid for the North, combined with the aid to the south, it doesn't factor.

Author:  Micheal [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:04 pm ]
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What if we let slip the South Korean leash and let the two pit bulls at each other? How much loss of life will be acceptable as a price to take down Saddam Il Jong?

We will "wimp out" and try to keep as many people alive as possible, knowing there is no real diplomatic solution and pretending we will find one if we can keep it going until NK collapses or rebels againt the IlJonginati

Author:  Hannibal [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:04 pm ]
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Ladas wrote:
I disagree with your assessment Hannibal. SK is attack dog on the chain, with big **** teeth, being held back from demolishing the rat-dog to the north.

China has no interest in the US losing influence over SK, or pushing SK to not care and attack.



So perhaps a rock em sock em robots refrence then? I guess that makes NK the red robot. Eventually one of the robots is going to get a hair up it's *** and actually act like it's a sovergin nation and kick somethings ***. Or at least try to.

Author:  Hopwin [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:14 pm ]
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There are too many apologists in SK for them to intiate a hot-war.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:59 pm ]
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Vindicarre wrote:
I'm just waiting for the UN to condemn Israel over the attack.


I'm fairly sure they're going to role this into the charges they're "trying" us on instead. Clearly it's our fault.

Author:  Vindicarre [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:01 pm ]
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Well, of course, but that's no reason to leave Israel blameless.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:28 pm ]
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SK considers asking for tactical nukes to be redeployed there

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If North Korea’s going to flaunt its new uranium-enrichment facility to the world, South Korea isn’t going to sit back and take it. Seoul is considering a request for the U.S. to return tactical nuclear weapons to the Korean peninsula for the first time in 15 years. Remember when President Obama was going to put the world on a “path to zero” nukes?

Over the weekend, a U.S. scientist revealed that North Korea took him on a tour of its new “ultra-modern” uranium-enrichment plant at Yongbyon, ending longstanding doubts about Pyongyang’s home-grown capabilities at turning uranium into nuclear fuel. (Though it’s unclear whether the plant is already enriching uranium.) South Korea’s defense minister quickly cooked up a response, the Korea Herald reports: consider asking the U.S. to bring its nuclear weapons back.

“We will review (the redeployment) when (Korea and the U.S.) meet to consult on the matter at a committee for nuclear deterrence,” Minister Kim Tae-young told parliament, the Herald reports. That’s set to happen next month, when a recently-formalized U.S.-South Korean defense committee meets.

President George H.W. Bush announced in 1991 that the U.S. would withdraw all its battle-ready nukes from the Korean peninsula and Europe to deescalate global nuclear tensions. Bush the Elder boxed the sea-based, 2500-kilometer range Tomahawk cruise missile. And this year, the Pentagon’s giant strategy review recommended putting the Tomahawk out to pasture as part of an overall posture of taking nukes out of warfighting scenarios.

But in a Pentagon meeting with Minister Kim last month, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said North Korean “provocations will not be tolerated.” In the last 18 months, Pyongyang has tested a nuclear weapon, killed 46 South Korean sailors, and is now flaunting a new path to expanding its nuclear arsenal. Can the U.S. really turn down a request for tactical nukes if the Seoul makes it? The Pentagon punted the question to the White House. We’re waiting for a response and will update if and when we receive it.

A Korean defense ministry spokesman told the Associated Press that the effect of bringing the nukes back would be “mainly psychological,” since the U.S. has intimated for decades that it’ll nuke the North if it pushes the South too far. But it wouldn’t just be a psychological gesture to reassure Seoul and warn Pyongyang. It would also be a serious blow to Obama’s dream of denuclearizing the world, something for which, in part, he won the Nobel Peace Prize.

Already Obama may face a huge defeat in the Senate on his treaty with Russia to reduce each country’s nuclear weapons. That treaty doesn’t actually cover the smaller, less-threatening “tactical” nuclear weapons, focusing instead on giant nukes that could destroy whole cities. But the logic of returning nukes to a U.S. ally to prevent a potential conflict runs counter to Obama’s entire effort, since he’d concede that nuclear weapons have a place in conflict.

If the South Koreans make a nuke request and the U.S. denies it, though, the administration would effectively back away from an ally facing an escalating threat from one of the most erratic and militarized nations on earth. Already, Obama’s special envoy for North Korea is in Seoul for talks on the new uranium facility, saying the revelation is “not a crisis.” But if Bosworth can’t forestall the South Korean defense ministry from asking for U.S. nukes, it might quickly become a different type of headache.

Author:  Rafael [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:08 pm ]
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From what I remember, the sinking of Choenan in March wasn't simply a DPRK denial. I thought third party reports released weren't able to conclude what the source was.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:16 pm ]
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Rafael wrote:
From what I remember, the sinking of Choenan in March wasn't simply a DPRK denial. I thought third party reports released weren't able to conclude what the source was.


Initially they couldn't. However as time has gone on, it's become pretty clear that it was almost certainly a torpedo because of the nature of the damage, and that torpedo could pretty much only have come from one source. The only other thing it could have been was a mine and who else would put a mine out there? A WWII leftover possibly, but then.. the damage is pretty much right in the center of the ship.

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