Good for goose=Good for gander.
Thought so.
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| Author: | Micheal [ Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:30 pm ] |
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How stupid can these guys be. They stopped nothing. They achieved nothing. They just cost people money. http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/04/was ... pstoryview (CNN) -- A group cited by U.S. officials as a domestic terrorism threat claimed responsibility Friday for knocking down two radio station towers in Snohomish County, Washington. Much of the tower system, owned by radio station KRKO, was "flattened like a pancake," the manager said. Much of the tower system, owned by radio station KRKO, was "flattened like a pancake," the manager said. The Earth Liberation Front (ELF) issued a statement saying opponents of the towers argue that "AM radio waves cause adverse health effects including a higher rate of cancer, harm to wildlife, and that the signals have been interfering with home phone and intercom lines." "When all legal channels of opposition have been exhausted, concerned citizens have to take action into their own hands to protect life and the planet," Jason Crawford, a spokesman for the group, said in a news release. Members of ELF have been sentenced for acts of domestic terrorism in the past. Though no one is known to have been killed in ELF attacks, the government defines domestic terrorism as use or threatened use of violence by a domestic group "against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives," the FBI's then-domestic terrorism chief, James F. Jarboe, explained in congressional testimony in 2002. The towers belong to radio station KRKO. "There's quite a bit of destruction to the antenna system and it will probably take at least three months to get it back up and operational again," station manager Andy Skotdal told CNN affiliate KIRO, adding that much of it was "flattened like a pancake." The station remained on the air by using a backup transmitter site, he said. KRKO is working with authorities to find those responsible, Skotdal said, adding, "We'll use our own airwaves to do it." The perpetrators stole an excavating machine out of a yard in order to knock down the towers, Skotdal said. Video Watch the aftermath of the scene » The Snohomish County Sheriff's Office said the Seattle office of the FBI is the lead investigative agency in the incident. Officials at the FBI office did not immediately return a call seeking comment. advertisement Snohomish County is just north of Seattle. The attack took place in an unincorporated part of the county, officials said. In its news release, the ELF describes itself as "an international underground organization that uses direct action in the form of economic sabotage to stop the systematic exploitation and destruction of the planet. Since its inception in North America in 1996, the ELF has inflicted well over $150 million in damages to corporations and governmental agencies that are profiting from the destruction of the Earth." |
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| Author: | Screeling [ Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ELF Terrorists |
I guess this is where you go when you're a Greenpeace reject? |
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| Author: | Müs [ Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ELF Terrorists |
Quote: They just cost people money. That's kinda their MO. |
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| Author: | Hannibal [ Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ELF Terrorists |
Life, which you so nobly serve, comes from destruction, disorder and chaos. Take this empty glass: here it is, peaceful, serene. Boring. But if it is ... destroyed. (glass shatters, robots enter to clean it up) Well, look at all these little things - so busy now! Notice how each one is useful. A lovely ballet ensues, so full of form and color! Now think of all the people that created them, technicians, engineers, hundreds of people who will be able to feed their children tonight so those children can grow up big and strong and have little teeny-weeny children of their own and so on and so forth. Thus adding to the great chain of life. See, by creating a little destruction, I am, in fact, encouraging life. First thing I thought of when I read the OP. |
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| Author: | Slythe [ Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ELF Terrorists |
Hannibal wrote: Life, which you so nobly serve, comes from destruction, disorder and chaos. Take this empty glass: here it is, peaceful, serene. Boring. But if it is ... destroyed. (glass shatters, robots enter to clean it up) Well, look at all these little things - so busy now! Notice how each one is useful. A lovely ballet ensues, so full of form and color! Now think of all the people that created them, technicians, engineers, hundreds of people who will be able to feed their children tonight so those children can grow up big and strong and have little teeny-weeny children of their own and so on and so forth. Thus adding to the great chain of life. See, by creating a little destruction, I am, in fact, encouraging life. Love Gary Oldman. |
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| Author: | Monte [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:52 am ] |
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"When all legal channels of opposition have been exhausted, concerned citizens have to take action into their own hands to protect life and the planet," Sounds a lot like the guys toting around assault weapons at town hall rallies, the screamers at rallies, and the people currently advocating violence and revolution. Crazy is as crazy does, I guess. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:16 am ] |
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It's perfectly legal to carry an assault rifle in the context referred to at the last debate. No one was arrested for it. It harms no one and costs no one any money. The fact that you can seriously compare screaming at a rally to sabotage of any sort is hilarious. "People advocating violence and revolution" is so vague as to be meaningless. It's also not |
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| Author: | Monte [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:31 am ] |
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Quick to defend him, but that doesn't change my point. He's just as crazy as the ELF guys. It's the ideology and the statements that I'm comparing. Both are insane. As for proof, look no further than the yahoos carrying guns and signs that refer to watering the tree of liberty with the blood of heroes and tyrants. That's an open call for violent revolution. |
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| Author: | Rafael [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:34 am ] |
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Except they didn't cause any damage or cost anyone any of their rights. These people did. |
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| Author: | Elmarnieh [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:21 pm ] |
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Rafael wrote: Except they didn't cause any damage or cost anyone any of their rights. These people did. What kind of distinction is "actual harm" versus "projected belief of harm"? Aren't they the same exact thing? |
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| Author: | Micheal [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:32 pm ] |
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Projected belief of harm could be viewed as someone pointing a gun at you. Actual harm would be them discharging the gun and the bullet striking you. Neither one is a condition I appreciate. |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:12 pm ] |
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Micheal wrote: How stupid can these guys be. They stopped nothing. They achieved nothing. They just cost people money. I disagree. They achieved in getting their message across. However I agree that they wasted a lot of money. |
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| Author: | Monte [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:13 pm ] |
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Rafael wrote: Except they didn't cause any damage or cost anyone any of their rights. These people did. For the moment. However, that had nothing to do with my point. I was making a point about similar rhetoric. And the rhetoric is frighteningly similar. |
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| Author: | Vindicarre [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:04 pm ] |
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Much like the rhetoric of Van Jones is similar to that of Pol Pot, Stalin, Che, and Mao. What's your point? |
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| Author: | Hannibal [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:21 pm ] |
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Don't forget Rev Wright and his rhetoric! Always a classic. |
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| Author: | Müs [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:22 pm ] |
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I worry about Dwarf terrorists more. |
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| Author: | Stathol [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:41 pm ] |
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Müs wrote: I worry about Dwarf terrorists more. Urist McMiner cancels dig: interrupted by suicide bomber. |
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| Author: | Monte [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:00 pm ] |
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Vindicarre wrote: Much like the rhetoric of Van Jones is similar to that of Pol Pot, Stalin, Che, and Mao. What's your point? What's your point? I've never defended Van Jones. |
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| Author: | Vindicarre [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:01 am ] |
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Good for goose=Good for gander. Thought so. |
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| Author: | darksiege [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:33 am ] |
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Müs wrote: I worry about Dwarf terrorists more. i tend to worry more about half ogre terrorists who lob halflings like they are lawn darts... |
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| Author: | Monte [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:26 am ] |
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Lobbing halflings is totally exploitative. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:32 pm ] |
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Monte wrote: Quick to defend him, but that doesn't change my point. He's just as crazy as the ELF guys. It's the ideology and the statements that I'm comparing. Both are insane. As for proof, look no further than the yahoos carrying guns and signs that refer to watering the tree of liberty with the blood of heroes and tyrants. That's an open call for violent revolution. Are they actually causing any damage? No? No, they aren't and the guy you're talking about isn't "just as crazy as ELF". You just want something you don't like to compare to it, so you pretend it does. You don't have a point. Even if there were some case to be made that someone else is "just as nuts", it doesn't excuse ELFs behavior. It isn't even relevant to claim "hypocrisy" because the people you're talking about are protesting over a totally different issue. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:32 pm ] |
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darksiege wrote: Müs wrote: I worry about Dwarf terrorists more. i tend to worry more about half ogre terrorists who lob halflings like they are lawn darts... That's why I don't allow Hulking Hurler for PCs. |
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| Author: | Hannibal [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 2:48 pm ] |
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Monte wrote: Lobbing halflings is totally exploitative. I can just give them bandages to get my faction back up. |
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| Author: | Monte [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:39 pm ] |
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DE - you are either missing my initial point, are are disregarding it. The rhetoric is what I was referring to. I was pointing out just how similar extremists are on either side of the spectrum, if we can even accurately call it a spectrum anymore. |
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