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Author:  Vindicarre [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Union Drops Health Coverage for Workers’ Children

That's OK, the kids'll be insured by the Gov't, right?

WSJ

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One of the largest union-administered health-insurance funds in New York is dropping coverage for the children of more than 30,000 low-wage home attendants, union officials said. The union blamed financial problems it said were caused by the state’s health department and new national health-insurance requirements.

The fund is administered by 1199SEIU United Healthcare Workers East, an affiliate of the Service Employees International Union. Union officials said the state compelled the fund to start buying coverage from a third party, which increased premiums by 60%. State health officials denied forcing the union fund to make the switch, saying the fund had been struggling financially even before the switch to third-party coverage.

Author:  Müs [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:00 pm ]
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BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Author:  Hannibal [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:17 pm ]
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AARP (another healthcare bill supporter) has had to cut their offerings while seeking the ever popular waiver for the law.

Author:  DFK! [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:02 pm ]
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I've encountered several patients whose employers have cut coverage. I expect the trend for medium and large businesses continue, unless they have issues attracting talent to their company.

Author:  Screeling [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:49 pm ]
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It baffles me how liberals can see this crap happening and say "well something had to be done" and say they still don't have a problem with the bill.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:56 pm ]
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Screeling wrote:
It baffles me how liberals can see this crap happening and say "well something had to be done" and say they still don't have a problem with the bill.


Simple. They're going to point to this crap as a reason we need to go even farther towards fully nationalized healthcare. They aren't going to say they have a problem with the bill because that would be speaking against the move in that direction in the first place, and because a lot of them beleive these problems are what would have happened anyhow because of "teh eb1l insuranZe compan1es oh n03z!!" and that if we'd gone farther this wouldn't have happened.

Author:  darksiege [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:33 pm ]
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Diamondeye wrote:
Simple. They're going to point to this crap as a reason we need to go even farther towards fully nationalized healthcare.


And I hope each and every person who thinks that has their children go up to them and punch their parents in the mommy daddy button until the twitching stops.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:52 pm ]
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darksiege wrote:
Diamondeye wrote:
Simple. They're going to point to this crap as a reason we need to go even farther towards fully nationalized healthcare.


And I hope each and every person who thinks that has their children go up to them and punch their parents in the mommy daddy button until the twitching stops.


Don't hold your breath.

Author:  Xequecal [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:44 pm ]
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As I've said before, most liberals believe that government-run healthcare is vastly superior to private health care. The mindset is not that they're taking from the rich to give to the poor, it's that public healthcare is better for everyone, the rich included, so they're doing them a favor by pushing for this. The general justifications are, "Public health care doesn't need to turn a profit." and "Who cares if it's more expensive? Private health care is worthless, they'll always find an excuse not to pay you if you have a real expensive problem." There is also the assumption that the health care regulations are simply ignored by companies, and we need public health care so people who develop a medical problem don't become unemployable. (As obviously, employers will ignore EMTALA and snoop on your medical history and then find a reason to fire or not hire you if you have an expensive health problem.)

Author:  Screeling [ Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:40 am ]
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Xequecal wrote:
(As obviously, employers will ignore EMTALA and snoop on your medical history and then find a reason to fire or not hire you if you have an expensive health problem.)

I think you're mean HIPAA, not EMTALA.

Author:  Hannibal [ Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:48 am ]
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Love or hate them, pundits like Limbaugh, Beck, Prager and Hannity all called it.

Author:  RangerDave [ Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:19 am ]
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Screeling wrote:
It baffles me how liberals can see this crap happening and say "well something had to be done" and say they still don't have a problem with the bill.

Because there's a very plausible (and honestly, I suspect a more frequently legitimate) alternate explanation: (i) the economy is in rough shape, so some employers simply need to cut costs to stay in business, and (ii) even those employers that don't need to cut know they can cut wages and benefits without worrying that employees will quit and go elsewhere because the labor market sucks so badly. In other words, many employers in the current economy would be cutting health coverage anyway, so in many cases, blaming it on health care reform is most likely just an excuse.

Which isn't to say that the reform law isn't having an impact at the margins. I honestly don't know - been too busy to follow much of anything in the news these days. I just suspect that a sizable percentage of the "don't blame me; it's the government's fault" stories are just p.r. excuses from employers that don't want to admit they chose to make a cut for normal business/economic reasons.

Author:  Aizle [ Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:40 am ]
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RangerDave wrote:
I just suspect that a sizable percentage of the "don't blame me; it's the government's fault" stories are just p.r. excuses from employers that don't want to admit they chose to make a cut for normal business/economic reasons.


So this.

Author:  Ladas [ Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:41 am ]
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RangerDave wrote:
Screeling wrote:
It baffles me how liberals can see this crap happening and say "well something had to be done" and say they still don't have a problem with the bill.

Because there's a very plausible (and honestly, I suspect a more frequently legitimate) alternate explanation: (i) the economy is in rough shape, so some employers simply need to cut costs to stay in business, and (ii) even those employers that don't need to cut know they can cut wages and benefits without worrying that employees will quit and go elsewhere because the labor market sucks so badly. In other words, many employers in the current economy would be cutting health coverage anyway, so in many cases, blaming it on health care reform is most likely just an excuse.

Which isn't to say that the reform law isn't having an impact at the margins. I honestly don't know - been too busy to follow much of anything in the news these days. I just suspect that a sizable percentage of the "don't blame me; it's the government's fault" stories are just p.r. excuses from employers that don't want to admit they chose to make a cut for normal business/economic reasons.

I don't disagree with your post, but I would be lying if I said I didn't chuckle quietly while reading this and thinking that the "company" in the OP doing this is the SEIU.

Author:  RangerDave [ Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:44 am ]
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Ladas wrote:
I don't disagree with your post, but I would be lying if I said I didn't chuckle quietly while reading this and thinking that the "company" in the OP doing this is the SEIU.

Heh. Yeah, I admit, that definitely is chuckle-worthy.

Author:  Khross [ Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:46 am ]
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How do you get around the fact that the Healthcare Reform Act incentivizes dropping employer provided plans, particularly self-financed group insurance policies?

Author:  Hannibal [ Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:54 am ]
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Khross wrote:
How do you get around the fact that the Healthcare Reform Act incentivizes dropping employer provided plans, particularly self-financed group insurance policies?


A few assumed this was the goal. Get people on the entitlement train to make it a political third rail then the next step would be public option. Or as has been done, have the ability to regulate the industry through an unaccountable agency who can steer the market towards the public option goal.

Author:  RangerDave [ Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:17 pm ]
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Khross wrote:
How do you get around the fact that the Healthcare Reform Act incentivizes dropping employer provided plans, particularly self-financed group insurance policies?

I don't, really; I think that's intentional (though admittedly not advertised as such). Like I said, though, it only operates at the margins. The reform law puts a thumb on the scale in favor of some employers dropping coverage, but it's not going to trigger a huge wave in that direction all on its own. At any rate, all I'm saying in the context of this thread is that irrespective of the reform law, many employers would be dropping or reducing coverage in the current economy anyway, so I'm skeptical when they try to say it's because of the new law rather than their own business circumstances.

Author:  Elmarnieh [ Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:23 pm ]
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Not really RD, the costs of losing individual workers saves far more than adjusting even a fairly large group plan.

Dropping benefits just makes the employees you really want to keep go away and thats a loss of control which is not what businesses want.

Author:  Hopwin [ Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:07 pm ]
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Elmarnieh wrote:
Dropping benefits just makes the employees you really want to keep go away and thats a loss of control which is not what businesses want.


Nobody is going anywhere in this economy. Even without the law as a convenient scapegoat, companies have reached a tipping point for health care coverage. They've been shifting the costs more and more onto the employees as time has passed, this law and economy just allow them to skip straight to Go and drop health care overall.

Author:  Elmarnieh [ Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:29 pm ]
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Several people have left my firm to find better jobs elsewhere in this economy because of a pay freeze thats been on for two years.

They have had no problem locating employment.

Author:  Hopwin [ Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:06 pm ]
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I suppose it depends on your skillset, but surely you won't argue that your average laborer is effed.

Author:  Elmarnieh [ Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:13 pm ]
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Nope, especially in construction.

Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:25 pm ]
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Clearly, the union members need to organize some sort of organization to collectively bargain with their union, so that they will be protected from being abused and oppressed by their union.

Author:  Noggel [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:24 pm ]
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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Clearly, the union members need to organize some sort of organization to collectively bargain with their union, so that they will be protected from being abused and oppressed by their union.


I wonder how long it will be until union members form subunions.

Man, I typed that as a joke, but then started thinking about the details... runs pretty scarily parallel. :p

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