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Author:  Müs [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:09 pm ]
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http://www.philosophyexperiments.com

Some interesting thought experiments :)

Author:  Vindicarre [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:34 pm ]
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Heheh, at least I'm consistent.

This lecture series is quite good; if you enjoyed the thought experiments, you might enjoy these:
http://forum-network.org/series/justice ... -do-series

Author:  Khross [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:01 pm ]
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That website has serious issues with moral realism in the most ironic way.

Author:  Vindicarre [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:02 pm ]
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/chuckle
But they try, and it's accessible.

Author:  Müs [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:04 pm ]
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Vindicarre wrote:
/chuckle
But they try, and it's accessible.


Kinda like the Mythbusters.

They're not *real* scientists, but they do get people to think a bit.

I like this one too.
http://www.philosophersnet.com/games/check.php

30% ;)

Author:  Khross [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:15 pm ]
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The only real problem I have with the site is the lack of content to go with the thought experiments. There's nothing there I'm not already familiar with specifically and generally; but I suspect I'm not their target audience. That said, moral realism is politically unpopular in academic circles (for the most part). That bias plays out in the handling of the scenarios and some of the rhetoric.

Author:  Lex Luthor [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:22 pm ]
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All this stuff on the site about "Is this morally wrong?" is stupid. It's just an irrelevant question. How can I answer questions about something that isn't proven to exist?

Author:  Khross [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:24 pm ]
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Morality does exist. The nature of morality is another subject entirely.

Author:  Lex Luthor [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:26 pm ]
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Khross wrote:
Morality does it exist. The nature of morality is another subject entirely.


Morality as it pertains to everyday life doesn't exist. Obviously as a word it exists.

edit:

I guess it can exist, but it varies on individual interpretations. Morality is pretty much a cultural meme.

Author:  Talya [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:46 pm ]
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Lex Luthor wrote:
Khross wrote:
Morality does it exist. The nature of morality is another subject entirely.


Morality as it pertains to everyday life doesn't exist. Obviously as a word it exists.

edit:

I guess it can exist, but it varies on individual interpretations. Morality is pretty much a cultural meme.


I understand your dillemma, Lex. I have the same one. Morality is a personal thing and completely subjective. It is not logic or math, where there is a definite right or wrong answer. If Serial_Killer_02 believes it's morally right to slaughter people with wine-corkers, then it is morally right -- for him. Morality is an utterly irrelevant thing except for how your own morality changes your personality and worldview.

The Monty Hall test is also not philosophy, it's simple probability math. Switching nets a 67% win rate, not switching nets a 33% win rate.

The dillemma about the "decision 1 (A) saves 200 people, (B) has a 33% chance of saving 600 people" vs. "decision 2 (A) kills 400 people, (B) has a 66% chance of killing 600 people" was nearly paralyzing. Ultimately, they are the same thing. It was not a moral dillemma at all, it was a choice of whether I prefer to take the sure thing or gamble on the odds. I'm not a gambler, I always prefer a sure thing. Plus in decision (A) for both choices, it didn't say whether or not it might be possible I could choose who gets saved/killed, so I picked (A). But this had nothing to do with morality and just my own comfort zone.

On the plus side I was 100% consistent on every test that had such a score.

Author:  Vindicarre [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:52 pm ]
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Müs wrote:

27%

Although they marekd me down for the art is perception bit, and I disagree. I agreed that "Judgements about works of art are purely matters of taste, and that "Michaelangelo is one of history's finest artists". That is perfectly consistent. Michaelangelo's art matches my taste. They didn't ask whether it was "empirically true" that M is one of history's finest artists heheh.
Talya wrote:
The dillemma about the "decision 1 (A) saves 200 people, (B) has a 33% chance of saving 600 people" vs. "decision 2 (A) kills 400 people, (B) has a 66% chance of killing 600 people" was nearly paralyzing. Ultimately, they are the same thing. It was not a moral dillemma at all, it was a choice of whether I prefer to take the sure thing or gamble on the odds.


It wasn't a test about morality, it was a test to see if changing how the question was framed altered your perception of the question.

Author:  Lex Luthor [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:57 pm ]
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Like Talya said, I would just do what's most comfortable to me. It has nothing to do with abstract morality or philosophy (which is supposed to be logical).

Author:  Khross [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:59 pm ]
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7% on the second link ...

Author:  Vindicarre [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:59 pm ]
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Lex, it is about logic. How logical is it to change your response due to how the question is framed, when the results are the same?

Author:  Vindicarre [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:04 pm ]
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Lex Luthor wrote:
I thought philosophy is supposed to be logical? A question like "Which color do you like more, red or blue?" isn't very philosophical but is in the same ballpark as some of these questions.

The question being discussed is about logic; many of the others are related to consistency of your own personal system of beliefs.

edit: ahh, Lex ninja deleted.

Author:  Müs [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:14 pm ]
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Vindicarre wrote:
Müs wrote:

27%

Although they marekd me down for the art is perception bit, and I disagree. I agreed that "Judgements about works of art are purely matters of taste, and that "Michaelangelo is one of history's finest artists". That is perfectly consistent. Michaelangelo's art matches my taste. They didn't ask whether it was "empirically true" that M is one of history's finest artists heheh.


I got nailed on that one too.

Author:  DFK! [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:31 pm ]
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Holy crap is this thing flawed. I got about half through the first one and quit, because I think flawed analytical experiments aren't worth my time. Up until then, I was running about 94%.

Author:  Lenas [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:56 pm ]
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40%. Big whoop. Wanna fight about it?

Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:57 pm ]
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Khross wrote:
That said, moral realism is politically unpopular in academic circles (for the most part).


How so?

Author:  Stathol [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:58 pm ]
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I don't understand how nearly 80% of the population gets the Wason selection test wrong.

Author:  Corolinth [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:08 pm ]
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The overwhelming majority of the population does not appreciate the difference between if and iff.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:10 pm ]
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Corolinth wrote:
The overwhelming majority of the population does not appreciate the difference between if and iff.


That's because most of the population is not concerned with being engaged by antiaircraft weaponry.

Author:  shuyung [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:21 pm ]
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You...are making a joke, right?

Author:  Hopwin [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:23 pm ]
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That quiz reminds of some posters here, they force you to choose A) or B) and then shout you down about contradictions when you really prefer C).

Author:  Aizle [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:36 pm ]
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Hopwin wrote:
That quiz reminds of some posters here, they force you to choose A) or B) and then shout you down about contradictions when you really prefer C).


Yup. Makes it doublely appropriate for this forum.

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