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Author: | Uncle Fester [ Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:49 pm ] |
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Just one to anger up Elm...or anyone who actually like the constitution. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12 ... ions-guns/ Quote: If you look at the values and the historical record, you will see that the Founding Fathers never intended guns to go unregulated, Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer contended Sunday. Quote: "We're acting as judges. If we're going to decide everything on the basis of history -- by the way, what is the scope of the right to keep and bear arms? Machine guns? Torpedoes? Handguns?" he asked. "Are you a sportsman? Do you like to shoot pistols at targets? Well, get on the subway and go to Maryland. There is no problem, I don't think, for anyone who really wants to have a gun."
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Author: | Elmarnieh [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:19 am ] |
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Maybe he should understand that it is the law of the land no matter the reason he believes it was offered for a vote to our Founders? Nah, because that would actually be examining the LAW. |
Author: | Hopwin [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:51 am ] |
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The most disconcerting part of the statement is that the Justice thinks the subway runs to Maryland. |
Author: | Taskiss [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:01 am ] |
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Elmarnieh wrote: Maybe he should understand that it is the law of the land no matter the reason he believes it was offered for a vote to our Founders? Nah, because that would actually be examining the LAW. But, he thinks it would be GOOD to have the nation adapt to his philosophy. You, of all people, should understand that. |
Author: | Elmarnieh [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:06 am ] |
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Taskiss wrote: Elmarnieh wrote: Maybe he should understand that it is the law of the land no matter the reason he believes it was offered for a vote to our Founders? Nah, because that would actually be examining the LAW. But, he thinks it would be GOOD to have the nation adapt to his philosophy. You, of all people, should understand that. I understand it but his duty is to the law. |
Author: | Taskiss [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:15 am ] |
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Of course. He apparently feels he's fulfilling his duty though. He even feels he's honoring the framers of the constitution's intent. Personally, I'm very happy that he's in the minority. That said, I'm thinking this is an excellent example of why the status quo should be maintained except in situations where there is an overwhelming majority that seek change, and not always then, even. |
Author: | Elmarnieh [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:17 am ] |
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Taskiss wrote: Of course. He apparently feels he's fulfilling his duty though. He even feels he's honoring the framers of the constitution's intent. Personally, I'm very happy that he's in the minority. That said, I'm thinking this is an excellent example of why the status quo should be maintained except in situations where there is an overwhelming majority that seek change, and not always then, even. Good for his feelings. He should be studied in English, History, and Logic. Those are the three things he can use to understand the law. |
Author: | Stathol [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:35 pm ] |
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Taskiss wrote: That said, I'm thinking this is an excellent example of why the status quo should be maintained except in situations where there is an overwhelming majority that seek change, and not always then, even. This is something of an exercise in paradox. What you desire is actually counter to the status quo. Not even constitutional amendments require an "overwhelming majority" of the citizenry (and arguably not even of the state legislatures/conventions -- is 75% strong? Yes. Overwhelming? Maybe not so much). Certainly the "day-to-day" legislation at both federal and state level does not. And, more importantly, rule by signing statements and executive order is basically the norm, now. The status quo is effectively a government where the smallest of all possible superminorities can alter the status quo on a whim. |
Author: | Taskiss [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:24 pm ] |
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Legend: Overwhelming majority =! simple majority |
Author: | Dash [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:49 pm ] |
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Speaking to Chris Wallace: http://althouse.blogspot.com/2010/12/ju ... -news.html Quote: WALLACE: I understand. But it certainly didn't provide for a ban, at least that's what the court's decision was, your court's -- it didn't provide for a ban on all handguns as they have here in Washington, D.C. BREYER: Are you a sportsman? Do you like to shoot pistols at targets? Well, get on the subway and go to Maryland. There is no problem, I don't think, for anyone who really wants to have... WALLACE: But -- but it's... BREYER: ... a gun. Just go to Maryland! Sounds like a /b/ meme. |
Author: | TheRiov [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:57 pm ] |
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Hopwin wrote: The most disconcerting part of the statement is that the Justice thinks the subway runs to Maryland. Because it does? http://www.wmata.com/rail/maps/map.cfm Montgomery County is Maryland. |
Author: | Stathol [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:03 pm ] |
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Taskiss wrote: Legend: Overwhelming majority =! simple majority And?... Or do you mean: overwhelming majority = (!simple majority) ? If so, you have an odd definition of "overwhelming", but whatever. |
Author: | Serienya [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:23 pm ] |
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TheRiov wrote: Hopwin wrote: The most disconcerting part of the statement is that the Justice thinks the subway runs to Maryland. Because it does? http://www.wmata.com/rail/maps/map.cfm Montgomery County is Maryland. You beat me to it. Used to take the Metro to get to work in DC. Occasionally took it to Rockville, MD to meet my now-ex near his job. |
Author: | Taskiss [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:28 pm ] |
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Stathol wrote: Taskiss wrote: Legend: Overwhelming majority =! simple majority And?... Or do you mean: overwhelming majority = (!simple majority) ? If so, you have an odd definition of "overwhelming", but whatever. Want to post the dictionary definition? We haven't had one of those in a while. You seem to have a desire to pick nits, go ahead, post the definition and we'll go 10 rounds just to see how much we can piss each other off. |
Author: | Stathol [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:53 pm ] |
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I just don't see how "greater than 51%" = "overwhelming". I've honestly never heard anyone use it to mean that. As to the rest ... What the **** ever, man. I'm not going to engage your trolling. |
Author: | Taskiss [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:00 pm ] |
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Stathol wrote: I just don't see how "greater than 51%" = "overwhelming". I've honestly never heard anyone use it to mean that. As to the rest ... What the **** ever, man. I'm not going to engage your trolling. I think this is where I accuse you of not being able to comprehend...but perhaps you had a good reason. the ! symbol means "not"... so =! means it's not equal. I tend to use programming idiom a lot when I'm programming all day. And, as for trolling... you've been following me from thread to thread, looking to pick a fight. Bring it on or not, your choice. **** or get off the pot, as it were. |
Author: | TheRiov [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:12 pm ] |
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not to nitpick, but isn't it usually written != instead of =! That might be the source of confusion? Just speculating. |
Author: | Taskiss [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:18 pm ] |
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TheRiov wrote: not to nitpick, but isn't it usually written != instead of =! That might be the source of confusion? Just speculating. It is, dyslexia seems to have struck, and I'm posting from my phone, which also complicates things. A parser would throw an error, but the meaning is still the same. |
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