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Author:  Müs [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:36 pm ]
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http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/10/08/ ... e-so-loud/

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Hit the mute! Why TV commercials are so loud, and how that may change

Annoyingly loud TV commercials are like the weather. Everyone complains about them, but no one does anything about them. Except that lately, someone is doing something about it. Several someones, in fact. After decades of neglect, the issue is finally getting so much attention that the familiar explosion of noise signaling the start of a commercial pod could soon be a thing of the past.

The fight against excessive commercial volume has two fronts, legislative and technological. The first line of defense on the legal side is the Federal Communications Commission, which mandates that commercials can be no louder than the loudest parts of the programming they accompany.

But this approach has serious limitations. An action show that climaxes in a burst of gunfire is one thing; a commercial that's as loud as a gun going off from start to finish is another -- especially if the lead-in to the commercial is relatively quiet. And in addition to making their commercials as loud as the FCC lets them, marketers also use various technological tricks to make them sound even louder than they are, like packing more sound energy into midrange frequencies, the ones that the human ear is most sensitive to.

To close this loophole, Rep. Anna Eshoo (D-Calif.) introduced a bill in the House of Representatives last year, the Commercial Advertising Loudness Mitigation Act. CALM would charge the FCC to enact regulations prohibiting commercials from being "excessively noisy or strident." The House Energy and Commerce Committee will hold a hearing to consider amendments on the bill Thursday.

And a parallel effort within the TV and consumer-electronics industries may also bear fruit soon. The Advanced Television Systems Committee, a nonprofit whose membership includes broadcast networks, cable operators, and electronics manufacturers, has been working to develop voluntary standards that will let broadcasters measure and effectively modulate the volume of commercials.

"We've been working for over two years to help broadcasters, cable operators, and others come up with a uniform strategy so we can minimize the subjective perception of the volume changing during commercials," Mark Richer, the group's president, tells DailyFinance. "Our experts have developed what we call a recommended practice, which provides guidance to broadcasters and others on how to use our standard in a way that will minimize the 'audio loudness differential,' let's call it, that is bothersome to many people. It's a little more complicated than you would think, and getting everybody to agree on how to do it was not easy."

This week, ATSC will send a ballot to about 190 members seeking approval of the recommendations. Richer expects it to pass within 30 days.

But consumers who don't wish to bet their delicate eardrums on legislation or self-regulation already have some options, and soon they'll have more. TV sets featuring Dolby Volume, a technology that automatically flattens out the sound spikes of commercials, have been on the market for two years. They'll soon be joined by a device called SRS TruVolume, a gadget that performs much the same function while claiming to offer some advantages over Dolby Volume -- above all, distinguishing between commercials and programming, and suppressing the sound levels of the former without affecting the latter.

Author:  FarSky [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:48 pm ]
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Idiotic legislation. Hope it fails and fails hard.

The whole of the FCC is useless, to be honest. Cancel the lot of them.

Author:  Ladas [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:52 pm ]
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The TV we had when we first got married had smart sound, that detected the carrier signal in the broadcast to know when it was a commercial, and automatically adjust the sound down to balance out the disparity between the show and commercial. That worked great until the commercial producers changed the signals so thwart those systems.

I would prefer a market based solution, not legislative personally... but then, its at the point now, I use the DVR mostly and just skip commercials.

Author:  Müs [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:53 pm ]
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FarSky wrote:
Idiotic legislation. Hope it fails and fails hard.

The whole of the FCC is useless, to be honest. Cancel the lot of them.


Why would you want this to fail? Loud commercials suck.

Goddamn cheating bastards saturating the bandwidth with sound...

Author:  Lonedar [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Legislation I can get behind!

I'm with Arafys on this one. I'm tired of gently dozing off to whatever show I'm watching only to be violently awakened by some cockamamie sales pitch. While I would prefer a market or technological solution, I'll takes what I can gets.

Author:  Rynar [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:22 pm ]
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You don't need the government to solve your problems, just simply get up off your ***, and turn off the TV.

Author:  Müs [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:26 pm ]
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Rynar wrote:
You don't need the government to solve your problems, just simply get up off your ***, and turn off the TV.


Not all that easy when you're actually watching something of interest and it goes to SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!!! MONSTER TRUCKS OF MAYHEM!!! ONLY THIS SUNDAY SUNDAY!!![color=#FF0000][/color] and you have to scramble for the remote because your gf's sleeping and you don't want to wake her up.

The actual *volume* doesn't change, but the *loudness* goes up by a significant factor.

It really is quite obnoxious.

Author:  Lonedar [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:29 pm ]
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Rynar wrote:
You don't need the government to solve your problems, just simply get up off your ***, and turn off the TV.


Dude, it's even worse than that. All I need to do is lift, point and press a button. I'd also like to point out, that if humans weren't assholes, the need for government in general would decrease.

Author:  Ladas [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:30 pm ]
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If humans didn't have assholes, the government would be continually frustrated in its efforts.

Author:  Imperi [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:30 pm ]
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Rynar wrote:
You don't need the government to solve your problems, just simply get up off your ***, and turn off the TV.


QFT x 1000.

I actually don't have tv in my apartment anymore.

Author:  Hannibal [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:31 pm ]
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glad they are closing the "commercial volume loophole".

Can they fix like, everything else first? It's like Barry picking the low hanging fruit off his "checklist" and glowing about how much he's accomplishing.

Author:  Rynar [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:38 pm ]
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No. He's attempting to usher in an age of Nobel worthy peace for our eardrums.

Author:  Rafael [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:58 pm ]
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There are technological workarounds in the meantime. Count among them:

Manual control
Compressor/Limiter analog processors on the line side or signal side (likely no signal level lines accessible since they are enclosed in all-in-one units, aka multimedia receivers)
Digital control on some units etc.

Author:  Müs [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:08 pm ]
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Rafael wrote:
There are technological workarounds in the meantime. Count among them:

Manual control
Compressor/Limiter analog processors on the line side or signal side (likely no signal level lines accessible since they are enclosed in all-in-one units, aka multimedia receivers)
Digital control on some units etc.


None of which would be necessary if marketing people/tv ad makers weren't dicks.

Author:  Hannibal [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:13 pm ]
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Müs wrote:
Rafael wrote:
There are technological workarounds in the meantime. Count among them:

Manual control
Compressor/Limiter analog processors on the line side or signal side (likely no signal level lines accessible since they are enclosed in all-in-one units, aka multimedia receivers)
Digital control on some units etc.


None of which would be necessary if marketing people/tv ad makers weren't dicks.


They are following the law as it is written. And now the law is proposed being changed. Which means the tv/ad makers will continue to follow the law and still do their jobs. So net loss/gain is time/effort/cost for the law to be changed + the time period for the advertisers to adjust. Maybe 6 months to a year of legislative effort and cost for maybe a 2 month change? Whoooooo!

Why not just ask the broadcasters to modulate the peak audio carrier to not exceed a certain level? It's even easier to do with they haystack of a digital signwave.

Author:  Rafael [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:18 pm ]
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Müs wrote:
Rafael wrote:
There are technological workarounds in the meantime. Count among them:

Manual control
Compressor/Limiter analog processors on the line side or signal side (likely no signal level lines accessible since they are enclosed in all-in-one units, aka multimedia receivers)
Digital control on some units etc.


None of which would be necessary if marketing people/tv ad makers weren't dicks.


Nor are they necessary if you choose not to watch TV.

Author:  Müs [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:33 pm ]
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Rafael wrote:
Müs wrote:
Rafael wrote:
There are technological workarounds in the meantime. Count among them:

Manual control
Compressor/Limiter analog processors on the line side or signal side (likely no signal level lines accessible since they are enclosed in all-in-one units, aka multimedia receivers)
Digital control on some units etc.


None of which would be necessary if marketing people/tv ad makers weren't dicks.


Nor are they necessary if you choose not to watch TV.


But I can't watch Football on the telegraph :p

And the radio is just as bad.

Author:  Talya [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:47 pm ]
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I initially read this thread title as "Legislators i could get behind." Knowing Müs, that could have been well over half the elected members of congress and the senate who have two X chromosomes.

Author:  Müs [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:49 pm ]
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To be fair though, there's not many that I would hit.

Some of them are pure nightmare fuel.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:06 pm ]
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This is worthy of federal attention because...?

Author:  Timmit [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:08 am ]
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Diamondeye wrote:
This is worthy of federal attention because...?

Obviously the government has solved all the important issues and now has time to fiddle around with the small stuff.

Author:  LadyKate [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:57 am ]
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Talya wrote:
I initially read this thread title as "Legislators i could get behind." Knowing Müs, that could have been well over half the elected members of congress and the senate who have two X chromosomes.


:lol: :lol: Awesome.

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