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| Author: | Aizle [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:34 am ] |
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http://shelf-life.ew.com/2011/01/03/huc ... it/?hpt=T2 Quote: New edition of 'Huckleberry Finn' to lose the 'n' word by Keith Staskiewicz What is a word worth? According to Publishers Weekly, NewSouth Books’ upcoming edition of Mark Twain’s seminal novel Adventures of Huckleberry Finn will remove all instances of the “n” word—I’ll give you a hint, it’s not nonesuch—present in the text and replace it with slave. The new book will also remove usage of the word Injun. The effort is spearheaded by Twain expert Alan Gribben, who says his PC-ified version is not an attempt to neuter the classic but rather to update it. “Race matters in these books,” Gribben told PW. “It’s a matter of how you express that in the 21st century.” Context and insight into a particular age of America also matters you gorram dimwitted ****! |
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| Author: | Kirra [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:33 pm ] |
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Gorram! |
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| Author: | Uncle Fester [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:39 pm ] |
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Time to go hide my copy of blazing saddles before they get a hold of that. |
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| Author: | Raltar [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:10 pm ] |
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Uncle Fester wrote: Time to go hide my copy of blazing saddles before they get a hold of that. It wouldn't surprise me if it was up on the chopping block at some point. |
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| Author: | Xequecal [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:53 pm ] |
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I doubt it, Blazing Saddles isn't in the public domain. |
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| Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:14 pm ] |
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Xequecal wrote: I doubt it, Blazing Saddles isn't in the public domain. Just means it'll get banned, instead, heh. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:53 pm ] |
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Why should I care? |
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| Author: | Talya [ Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:39 pm ] |
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Rorinthas wrote: Why should I care? This. The book is public domain. It's not like its original text will become unavailable. Hell, this will likely just cause more people to go read the original due to the bit of publicity it will get. |
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| Author: | Stathol [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:11 am ] |
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I have a sudden urge to publish a new edition of Huckleberry Finn that consists of the original run through the classic jive converter... Quote: YOU duzn't know about me widout ya' gots eyeball some scribblin' by de dojigger uh De Adventures uh Tom Sawyer; but dat ain't no matter. Ah be baaad... Dat scribblin' wuz made by Mr. Ah be baaad... Amos Twain, and he told da damn trud, mainly. Slap mah fro! Dere wuz doodads which he stretched, but mainly he told da damn trud.
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| Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:18 am ] |
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I think I'll republish Huckleberry Finn as a Cyberpunk thriller, drifting down the currents of the Internet. Talya wrote: Rorinthas wrote: Why should I care? This. The book is public domain. It's not like its original text will become unavailable. Hell, this will likely just cause more people to go read the original due to the bit of publicity it will get. The only reason I'm bothered is that I suspect that the edited version will become the norm as far as what's taught in class, as "concerned parents" demand it, crying, "Think of the children!" |
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| Author: | Stathol [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:29 am ] |
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Kaffis Mark V wrote: I think I'll republish Huckleberry Finn as a Cyberpunk thriller, drifting down the currents of the Internet. This...this could actually be made to work. I mean, stranger things have happened. Consider "Wicked". |
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| Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:57 am ] |
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Oh, I don't doubt it could work. What makes my intention heinous is that I wouldn't rebrand it, as it were. This is Huckleberry Finn as Twain meant to tell it. |
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| Author: | Micheal [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:58 am ] |
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Huckleberry Tron |
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| Author: | Stathol [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:01 am ] |
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Blackberry Finn Ninja Edit: Tron Sawyer |
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| Author: | FarSky [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:06 am ] |
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Stathol wrote: Tron Sawyer Threadwin. |
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| Author: | Noggel [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:28 am ] |
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To play a sort of devil's advocate here, you can have an argument for changing the text that isn't rooted in political correctness. It's actually a bit of a curious issue. Some words change in meaning over time... some a little, some a lot. Many of the older ones aren't even part of everyday vocabulary anymore. If an ignorant reader would get ahold of a book with a lot of these words, they'll come away with a rather wrong impression of what the author was intending to convey. So... how do you get around that problem? Annotations? Hope the reader has someone around that can explain it to them? No solution at all and let the reader be a bit confused? Something else maybe? Does the answer vary depending on what you're working on at a given time? Certainly annotations seem appropriate for old Roman texts, but perhaps they are too much if you're trying to attract 12 year olds to read more. Unless you're appealing to the 12 year old Roman text reading nerd market segment, anyway. :p One thing is for certain though -- the original text must remain, and remain somewhere accessible. Whether you're talking Mark Twain or Tacitus, this is pretty much an unarguable constant. |
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| Author: | Screeling [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:00 am ] |
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Stathol wrote: Tron Sawyer Or the adult version: Pr0n Sawyer |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:36 am ] |
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Is this for real? I can't see educators or anyone else actually using this book. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:47 am ] |
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Huckleberry Finn has been banned from half the schools in North America for a couple decades at least. I could totally see an educator using this rewrite. |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:56 pm ] |
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Noggel wrote: Some words change in meaning over time... So... how do you get around that problem? Annotations? Hope the reader has someone around that can explain it to them? No solution at all and let the reader be a bit confused? Something else maybe? You educate the reader. This can be accomplished with footnotes, introduction, etc. Quote: Does the answer vary depending on what you're working on at a given time? Yes. |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:25 pm ] |
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As long as the book is published as an updated version or something where it is obvious that it's NOT the original text, then I have less of a problem with it. But the way I read the article was that they were going to change the wording and still sell it as the original which is wrong in the extreme. |
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| Author: | Hannibal [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:00 pm ] |
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They worry about the N word in a text where it is used in context- yet in a 3 minute rap song I can hear the N word more times than it appears in the whole book- and that's protected as artistic expression. Awesomesauce |
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| Author: | darksiege [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:42 pm ] |
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Hannibal, There is a logical reason for that: Kill Whitey! |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:52 am ] |
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I heard an interview on NPR last night with Alan Gribben the professor that has been spearheading this effort. His claim is that his primary goal was to provide a book that would be able to be used in the public schools so that more people could be exposed to the work. Apparently he was unaware of how banned the book was from a public school standpoint and that is what moved him to action. I still think he's wrong, and by changing the work you're not providing an accurate picture of what America was like in that time period, but I can appreciate what his goal was. I just think that it's the wrong way to go about it. |
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| Author: | Serienya [ Sat Jan 08, 2011 2:05 pm ] |
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Actually, I heard an interview with him as well. He's targeting only a very small segment of the reading population, and he has clearly stated that he would prefer that schools use the unaltered text (his intro to this edition supposedly recommends this as well). He doesn't want schools to stop using the book altogether, and have students completely miss out on the book's message. He just wanted it to be an option for schools that wouldn't use the book at all otherwise. That being said, it's not as though people can't choose to buy the original. He hasn't asked for all versions of the book to be replaced with this one. Hopefully, this minor controversy will actually steer people to read the original book. It's not exactly hard to find. (I have it in hardback and on my Kindle.) (Personally, I'd prefer that schools thumb their noses at parents challenging classics like this.) |
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