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| Author: | Uncle Fester [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:03 pm ] |
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/02/22 ... ly-killed/ Apparently they killed the hostages, before the navy went on to the vessel. Time for a good old fashion hanging or Keel Hauling. |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:04 pm ] |
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We really need to send a George S. Patton type to clear out all the pirates. |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:12 pm ] |
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They've successfully bullied other countries into paying their ransom demands. They're hoping they can threaten and kill enough people that the United States follows suit. |
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| Author: | Uncle Fester [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:27 pm ] |
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Well we now have a number of prisoners taken from the boat, we could make an example or bring them to the US for a civilian trial. |
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| Author: | Hannibal [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:42 pm ] |
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Uncle Fester wrote: Well we now have a number of prisoners taken from the boat, we could make an example or bring them to the US for a civilian trial. A better punishment is sending them back to that craphole nation. Its a crap situation. If we start killing pirates, what incentive do they have to not kill any americans they find? |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:51 pm ] |
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Uncle Fester wrote: Well we now have a number of prisoners taken from the boat, we could make an example or bring them to the US for a civilian trial. They weren't under the jurisdiction of the U.S. so a civilian trial does not apply. |
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| Author: | Uncle Fester [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:54 pm ] |
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So taking hostages and killing them, and piracy is not a crime? As it is not in any national waters, its a free thing? Fine so us torturing them to death would be legal as way. |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:58 pm ] |
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Uncle Fester wrote: So taking hostages and killing them, and piracy is not a crime? As it is not in any national waters, its a free thing? Fine so us torturing them to death would be legal as way. That's how it works. If you fly a flag with Mohammed's face on it, and Persian forces capture you in international waters, should they rightfully try you for blasphemy and execute you? The answer is they shouldn't because they have no jurisdiction. |
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| Author: | Uncle Fester [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:39 pm ] |
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So what justice system would the pirates be under, for committing acts in international waters? |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:44 pm ] |
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Uncle Fester wrote: So what justice system would the pirates be under, for committing acts in international waters? I believe there isn't any that has concrete authority. If they are brought to trial they could win. |
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| Author: | Lonedar [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:06 pm ] |
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If captured in international waters, I think whatever country holds the pirates would have jurisdiction. Diplomacy would likely (at least amongst most 1st and 2nd world nations) result in the pirates being extradited to country that makes sense given the situation. My fear is that pirates wouldn't hesitate to kill Americans (if they knew they would be caught), in order to get a chance at a cushy life in an American prison. |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:20 pm ] |
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Lonedar wrote: If captured in international waters, I think whatever country holds the pirates would have jurisdiction. I don't think it works that way... if it doesn't occur in a country's territory then they have no jurisdiction. |
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| Author: | Vindicarre [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:21 pm ] |
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Lonedar has the right of it. According to UNCLOS Part VII Article 105, in international waters, every State has the right to seize pirate ships/apprehend pirates. The captured pirates are subject to the law of the country that captured them. You make a good point about the secondary aims of the pirates, Lonedar. |
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| Author: | Midgen [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:33 pm ] |
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Somali Pirate convicted and sentenced to 33 years. http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-ne ... y-us-court Edit: I'm waiting for the media to start blaming the US Navy for these deaths. It's coming, just wait for it. |
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| Author: | Rynar [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:01 pm ] |
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It would take the US Marines all of a week to clear the entire Somali coast. Negotiate with a body count. Don't make the penalty for piracy pretty, either. Boil them to death or something. Or boil off their legs and dump them crippled into the villages they came from. They can serve the rest of their short lives as a warning not to board ships flying an American flag. |
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| Author: | Jasmy [ Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:13 am ] |
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Midgen wrote: Somali Pirate convicted and sentenced to 33 years. http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-ne ... y-us-court Edit: I'm waiting for the media to start blaming the US Navy for these deaths. It's coming, just wait for it. OMFG! Who wrote that news item, a 2 year old??? Also, speculation was this sentence was the reason for the kidnapping and subsequent murders of those 4 Americans. |
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| Author: | Midgen [ Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:28 am ] |
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Jasmy, I suspect strongly that the article was written by someone who is not a native english speaker. That particular link was just the first one that came up on a google search. I didn't vet it at all (wasn't necessary). It turns out that the articles there are user contributed. |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:10 am ] |
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Every time I see this thread title Bob Marley comes on in my head with "Redemption Song". |
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| Author: | Talya [ Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:27 am ] |
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Rynar wrote: It would take the US Marines all of a week to clear the entire Somali coast. Negotiate with a body count. Don't make the penalty for piracy pretty, either. Boil them to death or something. Or boil off their legs and dump them crippled into the villages they came from. They can serve the rest of their short lives as a warning not to board ships flying an American flag. 
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