Hannibal wrote:
Yep cause then Al Gore/ "Green" energy will be mainstream and establishment. So of course to annoy their parents and be edgy kids will get more conservative.
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:20 pm ] |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12570279 Apparently, Bin Laden is behind the protests in Libya. That's messed up. We should help Gaddafi crush the protests. |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:23 pm ] |
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Arathain Kelvar wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12570279 Apparently, Bin Laden is behind the protests in Libya. That's messed up. We should help Gaddafi crush the protests. The region needs to be transitioned into democracy eventually, better now than later. |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Libya |
Lex Luthor wrote: Arathain Kelvar wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12570279 Apparently, Bin Laden is behind the protests in Libya. That's messed up. We should help Gaddafi crush the protests. The region needs to be transitioned into democracy eventually, better now than later. But then the terrorists win! |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Libya |
Arathain Kelvar wrote: Lex Luthor wrote: Arathain Kelvar wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12570279 Apparently, Bin Laden is behind the protests in Libya. That's messed up. We should help Gaddafi crush the protests. The region needs to be transitioned into democracy eventually, better now than later. But then the terrorists win! Can't tell if you're kidding or not, but any region without representative government will have increasing instability as people become more educated and have greater access to the Internet. If you prolong this dictatorship, the problem won't just go away. |
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| Author: | Xequecal [ Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Libya |
Lex Luthor wrote: Arathain Kelvar wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12570279 Apparently, Bin Laden is behind the protests in Libya. That's messed up. We should help Gaddafi crush the protests. The region needs to be transitioned into democracy eventually, better now than later. Well, Libya can be transitioned into democracy. Saudi Arabia sure can't unless you can find some way to magically do it without any violence or destabilization, as even a month's interruption in their oil supply **** the entire world. |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:37 pm ] |
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It wouldn't take "magic", just the Saudi leadership's willingness. I am actually betting they will cede some control so that they won't lose completely all power. |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Libya |
Lex Luthor wrote: Can't tell if you're kidding or not, but any region without representative government will have increasing instability as people become more educated and have greater access to the Internet. If you prolong this dictatorship, the problem won't just go away. I'm kidding. I suspect he's saying this to try to gain support in the west for putting down the protestors. He's a jackass. |
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| Author: | Jeryn [ Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Libya |
Lex Luthor wrote: The region needs to be transitioned into democracy eventually, better now than later. Just out of curiosity: If somewhere like Libya succeeds in arriving at self-determination (self-determination and democracy being not the same thing) and then decides that what they want is not a representative democracy, or republic, etc... then what?
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| Author: | Wwen [ Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:40 pm ] |
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Why must we be involved? Also, who cares? |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:40 pm ] |
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That's good. It's even better if the dictator they want is the puppet dictator we have in mind. |
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| Author: | Hannibal [ Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:40 pm ] |
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Wwen wrote: Why must we be involved? Also, who cares? Correct a mundo! Their country, their issue to deal with. They can call the US when they've got it sorted out. But if we don't stick our noses in there first, then China or Russia will, and we can't have that right? |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:52 pm ] |
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I actually hope the Arabs mess up all the oil operations because then it will drive us towards renewable energy faster. |
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| Author: | Hannibal [ Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:41 am ] |
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Lex Luthor wrote: I actually hope the Arabs mess up all the oil operations because then it will drive us towards renewable energy faster. Yep cause then Al Gore/ "Green" energy will be mainstream and establishment. So of course to annoy their parents and be edgy kids will get more conservative. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Libya |
Lex Luthor wrote: I actually hope the Arabs mess up all the oil operations because then it will drive us towards renewable energy faster. More likely it means we'll start drilling in the gulf and anwar |
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| Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:16 pm ] |
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Hannibal wrote: Yep cause then Al Gore/ "Green" energy will be mainstream and establishment. So of course to annoy their parents and be edgy kids will get more conservative. Why didn't I think of this? |
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| Author: | RangerDave [ Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:28 pm ] |
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Hannibal wrote: Yep cause then Al Gore/ "Green" energy will be mainstream and establishment. So of course to annoy their parents and be edgy kids will get more conservative.
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| Author: | TheRiov [ Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:38 pm ] |
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Ok. so what should be the US Play here? Do we stay hands off and hope that this pro-democracy wave continues? Its no secret that the US would love to have Gadhafi gone, but presumably a brutal response on his part, even if unsuccessful would deter other 'domino' revolutions in the Arab world. So what should be our play? 100% hands off? Humanitarian only? Try to take out Gadhafi and let the rest fall where it is? Or do we aid the revolutionists? |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:40 pm ] |
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Considering we spend so much money on the military already, I think we should invade them. Put it to good use. |
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| Author: | RangerDave [ Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:58 pm ] |
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TheRiov wrote: Ok. so what should be the US Play here? Start by enforcing a no-fly zone (imposed by the UN if possible) over the whole country, and then see where things go from there. |
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| Author: | TheRiov [ Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:03 pm ] |
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I just question-- the Egypt revolution was nearly 100% by the Egyptian population. If the US had intervened in any way even no-fly zones, would it have deterred the Libyan and Tunisian revolutions? |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:04 pm ] |
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TheRiov wrote: I just question-- the Egypt revolution was nearly 100% by the Egyptian population. If the US had intervened in any way even no-fly zones, would it have deterred the Libyan and Tunisian revolutions? Tunisia occurred before Egypt, so no. Lybians are, from what I understand, asking for US assistance, so again - no. |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:04 pm ] |
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TheRiov wrote: I just question-- the Egypt revolution was nearly 100% by the Egyptian population. If the US had intervened in any way even no-fly zones, would it have deterred the Libyan and Tunisian revolutions? Libya is a civil war, not a revolution. Only a revolution if the insurgents win. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:34 pm ] |
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Libya is different from Egypt as apparently Libya's government seems to have a higher willingness to commit the military against its own people than what we just saw in Egypt. |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:36 pm ] |
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Rorinthas wrote: Libya is different from Egypt as apparently Libya's government seems to have a higher willingness to commit the military against its own people than what we just saw in Egypt. Well to be fair, people are protesting a dictator. Not a smart move on an individual basis if you value your life. |
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| Author: | Wwen [ Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:04 pm ] |
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What if you value your freedom? There's been enough western meddling in the mideast. American interests, aka the government, is less than thrilled about the sudden yearning for freedom from the kings and dictators the western world has sopported for so long. |
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