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We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union,
establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common
defense, promote the general welfare,

People’s basic needs must be met in a country.

Needs for housing, education, transportation, and health care are overseen by
our government system.

Labor laws ensure that people work in safe environments and that they are
paid fairly for the work that they do.

So I did. You asked me what I thought and I told you. School districts should be locally autonomous.

I'm against it. Memorization != learning. We suck *** at math and I think it's partly because we teach it as a memorization technique (times tables).

I'm against it. Memorization != learning. We suck *** at math and I think it's partly because we teach it as a memorization technique (times tables).

Have you seen the "New Math" as we call it?

Oonagh wrote:

Have you seen the "New Math" as we call it?

I'm against it. Memorization != learning. We suck *** at math and I think it's partly because we teach it as a memorization technique (times tables).

They don't even do that anymore. Have you seen the "New Math" as we call it?

I'm against it. Memorization != learning. We suck *** at math and I think it's partly because we teach it as a memorization technique (times tables).

Hopwin wrote:

I'm against it. Memorization != learning. We suck *** at math and I think it's partly because we teach it as a memorization technique (times tables).

Except that there are some things that just need to be memorized...

Wwen wrote:

Hopwin wrote:

I'm against it. Memorization != learning. We suck *** at math and I think it's partly because we teach it as a memorization technique (times tables).

Except that there are some things that just need to be memorized...

Such as?

Author:	Rynar [ Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:30 pm ]
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From one of the more frequently used children's elementary school text-books, Building Fluency Through Practice and Performance Quote: We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, People’s basic needs must be met in a country. Needs for housing, education, transportation, and health care are overseen by our government system. Labor laws ensure that people work in safe environments and that they are paid fairly for the work that they do. The method of instruction is to have the children sing, and chant their lessons. Thoughts?

Author:	Rorinthas [ Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:07 pm ]
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Singing as a mnemonic device is nothing new. I would imagine most of us learned the Roman alphabet through such a device. If you disagree with the content, see your local school board.

Author:	Micheal [ Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:19 pm ]
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Some of it is propaganda. Some of it is the Constitution. Some of it is wishful thinking. Rori is correct, this is a long established teaching technique, going back centuries at least. All of it is standard feed their minds with the parts we want them to think are real. Maybe if we give them the lib agenda early they will believe it all of their lives. Treat it like the multiplication tables so they absorb it and can recite it without thinking too hard about it. By giving it to them sing song it becomes real to them, until someone sometime down the road teaches them to think for themselves. Conversely, some of them will start to question it when they start realizing that a lot of what they learned is nonsense. I remember one year being told we couldn't do fractions, then the next year being taught them. What that taught me was that it is easier to lie to the kids until they have the lesson you're teaching down, then let next year's teacher deal with the misinformation you gave them to keep them from wandering far afield. My previous year's teacher didn't like it when I accused her of lying to me, out loud, in front of the entire recess yard. They still allowed corporal punishment back then. I stuck to my guns though, she had lied to me, answered a direct question with a lie. We could divide numbers that gave non-whole results. The vice-principal was having a hard time not laughing at my indignation while they tried to make me understand respect for authority. It seemed so important to me at the time. My parents also had a hard time not laughing when I got home and told them about it. Now, how much of "Conjunction Junction" and "I'm only a Bill" do you remember?

Author:	Rynar [ Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:22 pm ]
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Obviously the method of instruction is time tested. Also, you should note that I didn't provide any editorialization, Rori.

Author:	Rorinthas [ Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:51 pm ]
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So I did. You asked me what I thought and I told you. School districts should be locally autonomous.

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Author:	Rynar [ Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:57 pm ]
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Rorinthas wrote: So I did. You asked me what I thought and I told you. School districts should be locally autonomous. Should be, but do you feel that's how it actually works?

Author:	Rorinthas [ Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:02 pm ]
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Sadly, No. I still think if you are unhappy with your public education, the way to fix it is from the bottom up where your vote matters more than the top down. You can vote for local school board members that are willing to buck the standards imposed by the state and above.

Author:	Vindicarre [ Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:02 pm ]
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That's why having Federal control of such things makes it so much more difficult to enact change. Local control has been advocated by many on this board, including Rynar, for quite some time.

Author:	Wwen [ Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:36 pm ]
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Oh sure, first comes local control. Then BAM, slavery is back! Honestly, I think that is what most people expect/think anyway, judging by who they put in office. (Republicrats)

Author:	Rorinthas [ Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:03 pm ]
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Have you seen the people we put in office this year? (Mike Dewine not withstanding)

Author:	Wwen [ Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:23 pm ]
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More republicrats? I get tired of paying any attention sometimes.

Author:	Lex Luthor [ Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:30 pm ]
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How do countries with the best educations handle it? Do they mainly localize education, or standardize it nation-wide? I don't know, but just wondering.

Author:	Wwen [ Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:44 pm ]
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They handle it by having better math and science scores. This thread is more about the rhetoric in this particular book.

Author:	Hopwin [ Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:06 am ]
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I'm against it. Memorization != learning. We suck *** at math and I think it's partly because we teach it as a memorization technique (times tables).

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Author:	Lex Luthor [ Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:20 am ]
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Hopwin wrote: I'm against it. Memorization != learning. We suck *** at math and I think it's partly because we teach it as a memorization technique (times tables). I think times tables are actually useful to memorize. Everything else in math isn't.

Author:	Rorinthas [ Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:27 am ]
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We aren't as bad as everyone thinks. We are just the only nation that tests all their students. Japan only tests like the top five to ten percent since that's about all they send to high school.

Author:	Oonagh [ Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:01 am ]
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Hopwin wrote: I'm against it. Memorization != learning. We suck * at math and I think it's partly because we teach it as a memorization technique (times tables).** They don't even do that anymore. Have you seen the "New Math" as we call it? I teach history, so i really spend little time in the math teachers' room, but multiplication is done a seriously different way now.

Author:	Aizle [ Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:05 am ]
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Oonagh wrote: Have you seen the "New Math" as we call it?

Author:	Oonagh [ Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:26 am ]
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Aizle wrote: Oonagh wrote: Have you seen the "New Math" as we call it? Can't see Video. Blocked at school. Anyway, I hope it shows something ridiculous about how Math is taught today.

Author:	FarSky [ Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:30 am ]
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It is. Watch when you get home. Much <3 for Tom Lehrer.

Author:	Arathain Kelvar [ Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:25 pm ]
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Hopwin wrote: I'm against it. Memorization != learning. We suck *** at math and I think it's partly because we teach it as a memorization technique (times tables). Lots of things need to be memorized, provided you are taught what it means, and its importance. Sometimes there is no way around it.

Author:	Lenas [ Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:02 pm ]
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Oonagh wrote: They don't even do that anymore. Have you seen the "New Math" as we call it? All of my searching for anything regarding "new math" is referring to a change in the 60's. Can you elaborate?

Author:	Wwen [ Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:10 pm ]
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Hopwin wrote: I'm against it. Memorization != learning. We suck *** at math and I think it's partly because we teach it as a memorization technique (times tables). Except that there are some things that just need to be memorized...

Author:	Hopwin [ Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:50 am ]
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Wwen wrote: Hopwin wrote: I'm against it. Memorization != learning. We suck *** at math and I think it's partly because we teach it as a memorization technique (times tables). Except that there are some things that just need to be memorized... Such as?

Author:	Arathain Kelvar [ Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:07 am ]
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Hopwin wrote: Wwen wrote: Hopwin wrote: I'm against it. Memorization != learning. We suck *** at math and I think it's partly because we teach it as a memorization technique (times tables). Except that there are some things that just need to be memorized... Such as? Taxonomy. Names. Colors. What letter each symbol refers to, and the sound it makes. What each numeric symbol means. Dialogue in The Princess Bride.