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Author:  Lex Luthor [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:35 pm ]
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Poor dog.
Author:  Rorinthas [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:33 pm ]
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Stupid if true.

Also if she followed proper leash laws this probably wouldn't have happen. I have little tolerance for folks who let their dogs run amok then complain when something bad happens to them or refuse to take responsibility when their dogs destroy property or injure others.
Author:  shuyung [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:44 pm ]
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Judging by the view, that's a ranch in Oklahoma.
Author:  Corolinth [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:56 pm ]
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Also, judging by the view, that's not a police officer who felt threatened. Well, I should say it's not a sheriff's deputy who felt threatened. They mentioned it was a county sheriff's department in the story.
Author:  Killuas [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:31 pm ]
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Since she recorded it from her house it was her private property so leash law doesn't apply. If anyone whether a cop or not shot my dog like that they would be dead I wouldn't care if I went to jail or not.
Author:  Vindicarre [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:34 pm ]
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She followed proper leash laws; there was no dog running "amok".
Author:  LadyKate [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:36 pm ]
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I don't know...the video is too far away and there is no sound...those things would add enough to be certain of what is going on.
All I could see was a sizable dog making a beeline for the police officer...no hesitation in the dog whatsoever and the dog did not stop. From my view, if the dog was growling or anything, that could feasibly have been a dog in attack mode on the defensive...I could see that.
However, what bothers me is that he motioned for the passenger to stay inside...if he saw danger in the animal, he should have gotten back in the vehicle himself until the owner came out and gave the all clear. The officer was on private property, and the dog was doing his job, which he had every right to do.
Tough call.
Author:  Midgen [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:37 pm ]
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LadyKate wrote:
Tough call.


Not at all.. it's an easy call..
Author:  Diamondeye [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:40 pm ]
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never mind
Author:  LadyKate [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:41 pm ]
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Midgen wrote:
LadyKate wrote:
Tough call.


Not at all.. it's an easy call..


Maybe for some. I've been raised to not question police officers and to respect them, so I try to look at things from every angle where they might be right before I come to any conclusions about bad cops. I don't like the idea that a cop would willingly walk up and shoot a dog for no reason, just like I don't like the idea that a cop would intentionally break someone's ankle (that other thread...) so, just playing devils advocate here.
Author:  Diamondeye [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:43 pm ]
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never mind
Author:  Midgen [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:50 pm ]
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LadyKate wrote:
. I've been raised to not question police officers and to respect them...


So was I. This has nothing to do with it. What if this wasn't a cop? What if it was an anonymous passerby who got lost, and dove up on your property and did this?


Nothing will bring the ladies dog back, but if this happened to me, I would definitely be pursuing whatever legal options were available to be, both criminal and civil.
Author:  LadyKate [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:52 pm ]
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Midgen wrote:
LadyKate wrote:
. I've been raised to not question police officers and to respect them...


So was I. This has nothing to do with it. What if this wasn't a cop? What if it was an anonymous passerby who got lost, and dove up on your property and did this?


Nothing will bring the ladies dog back, but if this happened to me, I would definitely be pursuing whatever legal options were available to be, both criminal and civil.


So what if it was a stranger, asking for directions and they step out of their vehicle (assuming they have no gun) and automatically get severely mauled by this dog.
Legal precedents would suggest that the passer-by would have grounds to sue the owner and win and in many cases the dog would have to be euthanized.
Author:  Killuas [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:54 pm ]
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LadyKate wrote:
Midgen wrote:
LadyKate wrote:
Tough call.


Not at all.. it's an easy call..


Maybe for some. I've been raised to not question police officers and to respect them, so I try to look at things from every angle where they might be right before I come to any conclusions about bad cops. I don't like the idea that a cop would willingly walk up and shoot a dog for no reason, just like I don't like the idea that a cop would intentionally break someone's ankle (that other thread...) so, just playing devils advocate here.



I used to be the same way LK. I have dealt with and known many cops over the years, which is why I give them a lot less of the benefit of the doubt these days. I know there are a lot of good ones out there, but there are the assholes too that get off on their authority. Luckily there are more and more videos and such that help people to not get shafted because its the cops word versus them and of course the cop is beyond reproach :roll:.

If the cop had legitimate business there he could have gotten back in his car and called for animal control. We don't know if the property was posted or not that wasn't in the video. I have no problem if the dog was acually attacking someone and it was shot but just watching from the video he had time to get into his car.

Like I said if it were my dog he would be dead, if I went too so be it.
Author:  LadyKate [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:56 pm ]
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I'm still in the "benefit of the doubt" camp, Killuas as I have not been jaded by bad cops yet. Almost all of my experiences with the police force have been positive ones so it is easy for me to keep an open mind and not want to jump to conclusions.
Author:  Diamondeye [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:18 pm ]
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never mind
Author:  Vindicarre [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:40 pm ]
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It sucks that the cop shot the dog. Even if the cop felt that he was going to be attacked, I would hope he would choose to act differently next time. I don't believe I'd shoot a household pet unless I was protecting my wife or children. I would have just gotten back into the car.
It doesn't look to me that it was necessary. It was a good five seconds from the time the cop began slowly backing up until the dog entered the frame. It seems to me that common courtesy would dictate doing what was possible not to shoot the dog.
Author:  RangerDave [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:14 am ]
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Diamondeye wrote:
If the cop had legitimate business there, there's no reason he should need to get back in his car and call animal control

This is where you lose me, DE. I don't think a cop's "legitimate business" automatically outweighs all other considerations; it all depends on how important and pressing the particular business in question is. If there's a major crime underway and the cop's in hot pursuit, fine, he gets a wide latitude for making split second decisions; if he's just going about his daily routine, though, other considerations should often trump. Unfortunately, many cops seem to think that whenever they're acting in an official capacity, no matter how trivial the matter, heaven and earth should move to obey their commands and respect their decisions. There's no give, no backing down, no flexibility. I think that's wrong and undermines the respect people have for the profession as a whole. The cop in the video may well have had legitimate business on the woman's property, but that doesn't mean it's ok for him to plow through anything that gets in the way of that business. Unless it was really important and couldn't possibly wait two minutes (which definitely doesn't seem to have been the case), dude should have just gotten back in the car.
Author:  Diamondeye [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:41 am ]
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never mind
Author:  Kirra [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:04 am ]
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I've always felt it's easy to judge after the fact. Hindsight is 20/20 as we all know. But so many judge police officers when they have never experienced the situations that a policeman has been in. Do police officers make mistakes? Yes. Do they err in judgement based on emotions and past experiences? Yes. We never know what the reaction or remorse is after the fact, that's not news worthy...we just see the things people want us to see to elicit that gut outrage.

It's really too bad.
Author:  Corolinth [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:53 am ]
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This incident, and the general police response to it, is why cops are commonly referred to as pigs.
Author:  Diamondeye [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:53 am ]
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never mind
Author:  Midgen [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:54 am ]
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The guy should have done what you or I would have done (or he would have done in the absence of the gun). Got back in the fscking car.
Author:  Diamondeye [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:05 am ]
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You know what? **** it. This isn't worth the 10-page shitstorm I know this is going to turn into, since everyone's a **** expert on what should happen in situations they don't have to deal with. Anyone who wants to get trolled by Lex, feel free.
Author:  Hannibal [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:26 am ]
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Ran this by a family member who's been an officer for a long time. Her response "why didn't he just get back in the car?"

Granted, we are assuming things based on our personal bias, but honestly, if the cop had no compelling reason to be there other than to ask directions, why go all cowboy on an animal who at worst, was defending its home?

I can see it during an arrest, or if the cop was chasing a subject and the dog got involved etc, but in this case? It reminds me of why residents in certain Philly/Jersey neighborhoods don't call the cops. They've only see negative from them so its assumed that's the norm.
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