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| Author: | RangerDave [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Is Trump Just Trying to Play Spoiler? |
Trump has been prattling on about various birther nonsense lately, basically killing any chance he had at winning either the general election or (probably) even the Republican nomination. In the process, though, he's secured a solid minority following among the fringe. Now he's saying if he loses the nomination, he may pull a Ross Perot and run as an independent: The Hill wrote: Real estate mogul Donald Trump said Tuesday he could run for president as an Independent if he's unable to win the Republican nomination in 2012...."The concern is, if I don't win, will I run as an Independent? And the answer is probably yes," Trump said in a video interview with The Wall Street Journal. Plausible explanations at this point are: (1) Trump is really just doing all this for sh*ts and giggles; (2) He's a genuine nutter; (3) He's laying the groundwork to extort his way into the VP slot; or (4) He actually intends to run as an independent so he can siphon votes from the Republicans and guarantee a win for Obama. Given his history as a pro-choice, pro-gay marriage Democrat, I'm honestly starting to suspect (4) might be the case. |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:02 am ] |
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I wouldn't be surprised if it was a combination of all 4. |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:02 am ] |
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I am going with 1 and 2. He doesn't have the best business sense in world and I can't imagine the current administration has helped him along so 4 is right-out for me. |
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| Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:18 am ] |
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My initial reaction to his recent shenanigans was that he was trying to shame Obama into coughing up documentation. Now, I dunno. |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:21 am ] |
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I've been blowing him off completely. In other words, #5 - Who cares? But, does he really have significant support? |
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| Author: | Dash [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:24 am ] |
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There is no real strong front runner, so he's probably saying what the ****. GOP has several kick *** VP candidates but the Presidential field is chock full of meh. Regarding the birther thing, I was reminded about the extent some media went after Bush with the AWOL deal in Texas. So I now fully support the irrelevant, but likely annoying, call for his Birth Certificate! Let's see that thing! 
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| Author: | Hannibal [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:32 am ] |
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did any of the states pass a "you gotta show a birth certificate" before getting on the ballot there measures? |
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| Author: | Screeling [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:33 am ] |
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Arizona almost did, but they backed off due to the barrage they were taking from Big Education during the budget process. Supposedly it's still waiting in the wings. |
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| Author: | Rynar [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:59 am ] |
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There is no way Trump leaves his business empire for six years of campaigning for, and holding the office of President. He's an attention whore, and it makes him money... so he's going to ride that wave as long as he can. |
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| Author: | Midgen [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:59 am ] |
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I suspect it's all about the publicity. To what end, who knows/cares? |
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| Author: | RangerDave [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:59 pm ] |
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Arathain Kelvar wrote: But, does he really have significant support? Donald Trump is now tied with Mike Huckabee for first place when Republicans are asked who they support for the GOP presidential nomination in 2012, according to a new national poll. Of course, "tied for first" means they both have just under 20%, with the rest of the plausible field at 10-12%, at a stage of the game when simple name recognition is a big factor. Still, file this one under "sad, but true." |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:04 pm ] |
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****. I'd vote for Obama over those clowns. Maybe. |
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| Author: | Nitefox [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:41 pm ] |
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While on the subject of the birth certificate junk...what happens if say 10 years from now it comes out that that the Golfer In Chief really wasn't born in the US? Could he go to jail? |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:47 pm ] |
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Nitefox wrote: While on the subject of the birth certificate junk...what happens if say 10 years from now it comes out that that the Golfer In Chief really wasn't born in the US? Could he go to jail? If it was proved that he knew that, then I would certainly think so. |
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| Author: | RangerDave [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:52 pm ] |
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Nitefox wrote: the Golfer In Chief Out of curiosity, Nitefox, do you believe Obama spends more time golfing or engaging in other recreational activities than other modern Presidents? If so, what do you base that belief on? |
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| Author: | Nitefox [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:27 pm ] |
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RangerDave wrote: Nitefox wrote: the Golfer In Chief Out of curiosity, Nitefox, do you believe Obama spends more time golfing or engaging in other recreational activities than other modern Presidents? If so, what do you base that belief on? It's mostly to point out the hypocrisy of W's detractors while he was president, especially when it came to the war and the troops. W took a bunch of flak for playing golf while the troops were fighting and dieing. When that point was brought up to W, he stated he wouldn't play another round while the troops were on the battlefield. Unless I'm mistaken, he kept that promise. Also, i saw something a while back showing how much more golf teleprompter boy has played in his first term as compared to how many times W and Clinton did during their whole presidencies. edit - Found something close to it. It makes my point. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -Bush.html http://www.politico.com/click/stories/0 ... _golf.html |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:56 pm ] |
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It seems to me that the amount of time on vacation regardless of what activities the President is doing is much more important than whether they are playing golf or not. Obama - 26 days in the first year GWB - 69 days in the first year http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/presid ... tion-days/ I started to comment that I wished that I could get 26 vacation days a year, but then recalled that unlike most people who get a couple days off a week, the Presidency is a 24x7 job so in that context 26 days probably isn't all that terrible. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is Trump Just Trying to Play Spoiler? |
... Factcheck.org is a valid source now, especially when it comes to matters of Obama's behavior? Of course, perhaps the works cited for that little piece might be a hint it's not on the up and up. |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:19 pm ] |
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I thought it was politifact that you got your panties in a twist about. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is Trump Just Trying to Play Spoiler? |
There's a conflict of interest between the Annenburg Foundation and President Obama; this generally means factcheck.org will rarely, if ever, present a non-biased position about anything dealing with this particular President. That said, the sources for your claim and factcheck.org's claim on the number of vacation days are dubious best. That's obvious from simply looking at the circular referencing of a single party in the works cited section. |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:48 pm ] |
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Interesting, since that's the same source that everyone uses for vacation times for the presidents, as that particular reporter apparently has quite the reputation for collecting those facts. Out of curiosity, what is this conflict of interest you reference? |
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| Author: | Khross [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is Trump Just Trying to Play Spoiler? |
You do know that Obama chaired an Annenburg Foundation Challenge Grant in Chicago right? Likewise, since there's no verification of his facts through other sources, Knoller's claims are rather dubious. I get that you like Obama because he's not Bush; I simply dislike him more than I abhorred his predecessor. |
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| Author: | Micheal [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:47 pm ] |
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Rynar wrote: There is no way Trump leaves his business empire for six years of campaigning for, and holding the office of President. He's an attention whore, and it makes him money... so he's going to ride that wave as long as he can. /agree |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:04 pm ] |
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Aizle wrote: It seems to me that the amount of time on vacation regardless of what activities the President is doing is much more important than whether they are playing golf or not. Obama - 26 days in the first year GWB - 69 days in the first year http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/presid ... tion-days/ I started to comment that I wished that I could get 26 vacation days a year, but then recalled that unlike most people who get a couple days off a week, the Presidency is a 24x7 job so in that context 26 days probably isn't all that terrible. Working from home =/ vacation. |
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| Author: | Lenas [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:49 pm ] |
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The White House is their home. |
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