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http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/ ... r-does-it/


Seriously...we need to disband all unions. Just get rid of every single one of them.

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Right, because when a corporation acts in a sociopathic manner to maximize shareholder profits, that's perfectly fine, but if a union does it, no that's awful and we need to get rid of them.

Xeq,

seriously? Their sign is one step away from Libel. They are bringing harm upon the hotel, and this is okay with you because it IS a union doing it?

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Shamelessly stolen from the Tick Update, because it's awesome. Spoilered for size.

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Where are those shareholder profits held? Who owns them?

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Someone tell me why the argument "But they do it..." is at all acceptable to a thinking being.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Libel? Really? There's a disclaimer right on the thing. Proclaiming something misleading then having a fine-print disclaimer is pretty much Advertising 101. Everyone does this.

There's a gas station near here. Their convenience store sells a particular cup of coffee always for ten cents less than the price of gas. Then on the sign outside they have the price of this coffee displayed on the sign in giant digital letters with the fact that it's actually the price of a coffee, not gas, written under it in extremely tiny type that's a similar shade of green as the background of the sign. Given the current price of gas, I imagine virtually no one ever buys this coffee, nor do they expect anyone to. They do this so people will pull into their gas station instead of any of the others, then not want to go to a different gas station to save ten cents when they figure it out. I suppose the other gas stations should demand that all their competitors who use this tactic should be shut down? Maybe sue for false advertising? Please.



Hey, I'm not the one being the hypocrite here. I completely expect corporations to act like sociopaths. It never fails to amuse me how conservatives give corporate America a free pass on this while expecting unions to hold to the highest ethical standards, while liberals tend to do the exact opposite.

Right to free association and all that...I'm all for people being able to form unions. I'm completely against any special legal recognition or protection of them.

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Except, the disclaimer is about the *pictures* of the bedbugs.

From the article:


Therefore it is not simply "Advertising" and much closer to actual libel.

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Holy shitsnacks!

They probably should if the coffee price sign has an "unleaded" label. I'd be a lot less upset if the flyer's headline declared that the hotel had parasites, along with a picture of bedbugs, and then the print below it described the non-union contractors as blood-sucking parasites. But it doesn't. The headline says bedbugs, and the caption describes how you'll bring these parasites home to infest your house if you stay at the hotel.

And then the fine print, which is half-obscured by the other sign below it, you'll note, has a disclaimer that can't even be seen at a "personal space bubble" viewing distance? Please. Not even comparable to your coffee price.

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You'll have to do better than these mythical conservatives and liberals you always use for examples.

There are regulations specifically targeting corporations that "act like sociopaths", there are laws specifically protecting unions even when they "act like sociopaths".

Why is it always you who brings up something less than admirable "the other side" does as if it makes it ok for another entity to act similarly? What purpose does it serve? Weren't you ever taught that "two wrongs don't make a right"? Why do you think we haven't taken that to heart, even if you haven't?

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

The only part of that sign that could be considered libel is the first sentence. Even so, it only claims that some guests have complained about bedbugs, not all, and I'm reasonably certain they could come up with some guests that have complained about bedbugs if pressed to do so. The second paragraph makes no claims about the hotel, only factual claims about what bedbugs do. Then you have the fine-print third and fourth paragraphs that are the disclaimers. The fourth paragraph even says that they're not talking about actual bedbugs at the Hilton.

Is it carefully framed to give a misleading picture about the Hilton? Of course, but seriously, do you watch any advertisements on TV ever? Like all those ads that have a Brand X that looks suspiciously similar to the product of their main competitor while they go on about how deficient and dangerous the Brand X product is? Especially bad are the medical ads which often suggest that the Brand X product has an ingredient that could kill you. And we'll not even go into the political ads that are often nothing but a creepy, deep-throated guy reading off a cavalcade of lies.



http://www.revival.com/supernatural-debt-elimination.2681.1.htm

Here's an ad I've seen on TV before. It's infinitely worse than what this union is doing, yet he can still get away with it. Whatever "regulations" exist, there are infinite examples of advertisements that are as bad or worse than this union bullshit and nothing gets done about them either. It's not about "right" and "wrong," it's about a level playing field. Yes it is "wrong" on some level for the union to do this, but they would be stupid if they did not use the same tools available to them as everyone else.

I mean, we have entire classes of corporations now deemed "to big to fail" that can do literally whatever they want and be guaranteed profits or a bailout. No union has anywhere near that kind of political protection. And yes, this is also very "wrong," but being "right" doesn't mean much if you're run out of business.

Sorry, I'm not going to sit through 25+ minutes of an Evangelist searching for your point. Care to give it to us?

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Unions are stupid. People should be working instead of all this crap. Also people should be fined after going on strike, or maybe have to pay more in taxes.

I ask again.

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Where on there does it state that the Hotel does not have bed bugs?



Does it show it here?



And even though this is not considered a valid source; these guys expound on the concept of libel.


And this cannot reasonably be protected under the defense of libel for Fair comment on a matter of public interest

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He promises that if you bring your bills to him and pay him a fee, he'll intervene with God on your behalf to magically make all your debt go away. I felt it was pretty similar to the many terrible unions in the country that take their members' money and give them nothing in return or even make their situation worse in return.

And of course it's morally wrong. That's obvious. What the union does is morally wrong too. That's not the point, that's the whole reason I referred to unions and corporations as sociopaths. They have no morals. The hypocrisy comes when you expect unions to have morals but not corporations, or vice versa. Right and wrong don't mean anything, what matters is what they are allowed to get away with and what they aren't. When someone proposes to punish or "shut down" an entity for doing something that is common practice, it's ridiculous. You're focusing on them because you don't like what they're offering.

Do you realize that unions are a drain on the economy in general? It hurts everyone. Everything you own and use was made by a corporation that was "maximizing profits". If you don't like it, move to somewhere not affected by corporations, like the middle of the Amazon rainforest.

None of the claims made are false. Some people have complained, the second paragraph is an accurate description of how bed bugs operate, and the third and fourth paragraph disclaimers are obviously also true. Only the first paragraph is not obviously true, but like I said, it would be easy to find some people that have complained about bedbugs to validate it.

The fourth paragraph does not expressly say that the Hilton has no bedbugs, only that the pictures shown do not come from the Hilton, but the poster never actually claims the Hilton has bedbugs in the first place.

Uh, the shareholders get the profits, usually in the form of dividends. I'm not sure what your point is.

Some shares pay dividends, not all. Most investment portfolios don't generate current income.

But more importantly, who are these mythical shareholders you speak of?

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Figure 2a: Wealth distribution by type of asset, 2007: investment assets


Figure 2b: Wealth distribution by type of asset, 2007: other assets

You're going to have to tell me what your point is. The people who own shares of the company expect the company to make as much profit as possible by any means necessary, because they enrich themselves when the company does so.

/facepalm

Not "what" is a shareholder, "who" are these shareholders. What sorts of investment vehicles are the shares in, and who owns them?

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