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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:57 pm 
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(CNN) -- The Arizona state legislature approved a bill Thursday night that would make presidential candidates have to prove they are U.S. citizens before their names could appear on a state ballot.

The so-called "birther bill" got final approval by a vote of 40 to 16 in the state House, according to the website for the Arizona State Legislature.

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The bill's author, Arizona State Rep. Carl Seel, has said the bill was not targeted at President Barack Obama.

"This bill is not about Obama. It's not about that," he said. "It's about future elections and maintaining the integrity of the Constitution."

Questions have been raised about the citizenship of the president.

The bill still needs to be signed by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer

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I bet Brewer signs it.

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"This bill is :quote: not about :quote: Obama. It's :quote: not about :quote: that," he said.

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This might have mattered had it been done in a blue state or swing state. Since Obama has no chance of winning Arizona anyway, he stands to gain a lot of PR points by just blowing them off and ridiculing this bill.


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"This bill is :quote: not about :quote: Obama. It's :quote: not about :quote: that," he said.

Heh. Yeah, okay.

I think that's a legitimate statement. Or, it can be. I can't speak for whether it's the truth coming out of his mouth.

But it's not about Obama. It's about every candidate who wants to put their name on an Arizona Presidential ballot from here on out. That will probably include Obama, and Obama is certainly the person whose circumstances and behavior caused this to be an issue of concern in the first place, rather than taking people at their word... But it's about way more than Obama.

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Yup, he'd be looking great if he decided to just blow off the six and one half million people in AZ because he doesn't want to comply with their "silly" laws. :roll:

It wouldn't cause anyone to wonder why...

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Yup, he'd be looking great if he decided to just blow off the six and one half million people in AZ because he doesn't want to comply with their "silly" laws. :roll:

It wouldn't cause anyone to wonder why...


It's a thinly veiled accusation of treason. There's no reason for him to treat it with respect.


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Treason? Show your work, please.

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I've ignored all the hoopla about whether or not Obama was born in the US or not 'cause it seems to be a red herring. Having a mother who was a US citizen seems enough to qualify him in that regard to me, no matter where he was born.

Does anyone posting here really think that Obama is not legally qualified to be president because of citizenship requirements?

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Does anyone posting here really think that Obama is not legally qualified to be president because of citizenship requirements?


I'm pretty sure Khross does.


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Yup, he'd be looking great if he decided to just blow off the six and one half million people in AZ because he doesn't want to comply with their "silly" laws. :roll:

It wouldn't cause anyone to wonder why...


I don't see how that's going to happen, since he's already proven to the supreme court that he's a citizen.

Seriously, don't the folks in AZ have better things to do with their time?


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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
But it's not about Obama. It's about every candidate who wants to put their name on an Arizona Presidential ballot from here on out.

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he bill requires a sworn statement confirming the candidates residence and... drum roll... (sorry for the caps):

A CERTIFIED COPY OF THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE'S LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE THAT INCLUDES AT LEAST THE DATE AND PLACE OF BIRTH, THE NAMES OF THE CANDIDATE'S MOTHER AND FATHER, INCLUDING INFORMATION SUFFICIENT TO DETERMINE THE CITIZENSHIP OF BOTH PARENTS, THE NAMES OF THE HOSPITAL AND THE ATTENDING PHYSICIAN, IF APPLICABLE, AND SIGNATURES OF ANY WITNESSES IN ATTENDANCE.

This has been written so that Barack Obama's certificate of live birth, which does not include the name of the hospital and attending physician, does not count.

I'm sure they included the name of the hospital and attending physician just to be thorough, not because they wanted to tailor it to hit Obama. :roll:

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Obama is certainly the person whose...behavior caused this to be an issue of concern in the first place.

What behavior are you referring to?


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Treason? Show your work, please.


Running for, winning, and accepting the job of President when not being a natural born citizen would not count as treason?


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If he isn't a citizen of the US, how is it treason?


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I think President Obama has a vested interest in not providing proof of citizenship and hiding behind the DNC at this point, only because his lawyers and the legal arguments to date have made it such that no one can challenge the eligibility of a candidate.

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Aizle wrote:
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Yup, he'd be looking great if he decided to just blow off the six and one half million people in AZ because he doesn't want to comply with their "silly" laws. :roll:

It wouldn't cause anyone to wonder why...


I don't see how that's going to happen...


X suggested he would win "PR" points by "blowing them off" and "ridiculing this bill".

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If he isn't a citizen of the US, how is it treason?


I thought the debate was over whether he was a natural-born citizen, not whether or not he was a citizen at all. Even if he was born in Kenya there was a law passed that granted him citizenship retroactively, it just wouldn't count as natural born.


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Correct me if I'm wrong but its not his citizenship that is in question, but rather his eligiblity to be President. (The requirements for the Presidency being somewhat more stringent), correct?

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Yup, he'd be looking great if he decided to just blow off the six and one half million people in AZ because he doesn't want to comply with their "silly" laws. :roll:

It wouldn't cause anyone to wonder why...


I don't see how that's going to happen...


X suggested he would win "PR" points by "blowing them off" and "ridiculing this bill".


Ah, I'd missed that.


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I think President Obama has a vested interest in not providing proof of citizenship and hiding behind the DNC at this point, only because his lawyers and the legal arguments to date have made it such that no one can challenge the eligibility of a candidate.


How exactly hasn't he provided proof of citizenship?

As I recall, the State of Hawaii and the Supreme Court have both certified that he's provided appropriate evidence.


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It should be noted that "Natural Born Citizen" does not legally mean "Born in the USA." (Sorry, Bruce.) It means "having american citizenship bestowed upon you by birth." As congress ratified in 1790, being born of American citizens is enough.

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The children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens


Apart from the ridiculous nature of questioning the overwhelming evidence already provided that he was in Hawaii, it does not matter where he was born. He inherited his citizenship from his mother.

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Apart from the ridiculous nature of questioning the overwhelming evidence already provided that he was in Hawaii, it does not matter where he was born. He inherited his citizenship from his mother.


BUT!....


...wait for it...


was she really his ... mother?

(que the conspiracy music)

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Not according to the laws on the books, Taly. Her duration (or lack thereof) in the US leads to more issues.

I'm just kind of put off by the maneuvering rather than just putting it to rest with finality.

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Not according to the laws on the books

What laws are you referring to?

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NOLO Press, US Immigration Made Easy wrote:
January 13, 1941 to December 23, 1952
If you were born between January 13, 1941 and December 23, 1952, you automatically acquired U.S. citizenship if both your parents were U.S. citizens and at least one had a prior residence in the United States. You didn't have to do anything special to keep your U.S. citizenship.
If only one parent was a U.S. citizen, that parent must have lived in the United States for at least ten years prior to your birth, and at least five of those years must have been after your parent reached the age of 16. To keep your citizenship, you must have lived in the United States for at least two years between the ages of 14 and 28 (called a residence requirement). However, as a result of a U.S. Supreme Court decision, if you were born after October 9, 1952, your parent still had to fulfill the residence requirement in order to pass citizenship to you, but your own residence requirement for retaining U.S. citizenship were abolished. If your one U.S. citizen parent was your father and you were born outside of marriage, the same rules applied if your father legally legitimated you before your 21st birthday and you were unmarried at the time.

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