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| Author: | LadyKate [ Sat May 28, 2011 8:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Paying Child Support For Your Pregnant Teen |
This hasn't happened to me or anyone I know, but I had a random thought: If you are divorced and you are the non-custodial parent, and your teenage daughter gets pregnant, do you still have to pay child support? What about after the baby is born? I googled it and everything I see so far says that if your daughter gets pregnant and has a baby, you still have to pay child support until she is at least 18...which would mean, in a round about way, you'd be paying child support for her kid as well. What about if your teenage son got someone pregnant and moved his pregnant girlfriend in with the custodial parent...and you're paying child support that him and his girlfriend and their offspring live off of. Everything I've seen so far says you are still obligated to pay child support in that situation, but that seems super crappy to me. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Sat May 28, 2011 8:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Paying Child Support For Your Pregnant Teen |
Any "change in circumstance" could get you a new hearing at least as I understand it. The rest would be up to the judge I guess. If the minor is not living with the custodial parent then I don't know if you have to pay. If this were a real world situation, my advice would be "apply for a new hearing." |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Sat May 28, 2011 9:03 pm ] |
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Actually, from what I've read so far, if your teen gets pregnant and you go to court for a "change of circumstance", the amount the parent would have to pay can actually increase because of the teenager's pregnancy/baby. |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Sat May 28, 2011 9:06 pm ] |
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It gets worse...according to this: http://www.teenageparent.org/english/faq.html If you are a parent of a child under the age of 18 who gets pregnant, you have to pay child support for your child and possibly for their baby. If you are the parent of a child under the age of 18 who got someone pregnant, you are obligated to pay child support for your kid's kid!! Holy crap. Someone needs to do something about these laws...kids are having kids younger and younger. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Sat May 28, 2011 9:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Paying Child Support For Your Pregnant Teen |
The median age of first pregnancy is likely not the lowest it's ever been in human history, but yeah it's a problem. |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Sat May 28, 2011 10:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paying Child Support For Your Pregnant Teen |
Teenage pregnancy is not a new phenomenon, despite what old ladies at church would have you believe. Yes, back in their day, there were girls getting pregnant in the 8th grade just like today. In fact, 12-14 year old girls getting pregnant has been going pretty much throughout the whole of human history. It's just that for most of that history, we stoned them for being sluts rather than mandate the father pay child support. (Some cultures still do this. Probably more than we like to think.) Now, there is evidence to suggest that the mean age for childbearing is going down, but this is not cause for a moral panic. It's not due to more teen pregnancies, but rather fewer women are putting off children until their thirties in favor of a career. |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Sat May 28, 2011 11:13 pm ] |
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Teenage pregnancy is better than no pregnancy, and is not a "problem" in a general sense. It leads to more native English-speaking children, who grow up in an environment surrounded by technology. A large percentage will become valuable workers when they mature. It rejuvenates a society that will soon need to support countless baby-boomers as they retire. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Sat May 28, 2011 11:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Paying Child Support For Your Pregnant Teen |
Corolinth wrote: Teenage pregnancy is not a new phenomenon, despite what old ladies at church would have you believe. Yes, back in their day, there were girls getting pregnant in the 8th grade just like today. In fact, 12-14 year old girls getting pregnant has been going pretty much throughout the whole of human history. It's just that for most of that history, we stoned them for being sluts rather than mandate the father pay child support. (Some cultures still do this. Probably more than we like to think.) Now, there is evidence to suggest that the mean age for childbearing is going down, but this is not cause for a moral panic. It's not due to more teen pregnancies, but rather fewer women are putting off children until their thirties in favor of a career. Wouldn't waiting to have kids raise or balance out the median age or haven't we reached that point yet. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Sun May 29, 2011 12:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paying Child Support For Your Pregnant Teen |
Corolinth wrote: Teenage pregnancy is not a new phenomenon, despite what old ladies at church would have you believe. Yes, back in their day, there were girls getting pregnant in the 8th grade just like today. In fact, 12-14 year old girls getting pregnant has been going pretty much throughout the whole of human history. It's just that for most of that history, we stoned them for being sluts rather than mandate the father pay child support. (Some cultures still do this. Probably more than we like to think.) Now, there is evidence to suggest that the mean age for childbearing is going down, but this is not cause for a moral panic. It's not due to more teen pregnancies, but rather fewer women are putting off children until their thirties in favor of a career. What has this got to do with anything? No one is talking about a moral panic. What's being discussed here is the concept of demanding that someone pay child support for their child's child. |
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| Author: | Micheal [ Sun May 29, 2011 1:58 am ] |
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ChooChoops, derailed. |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Sun May 29, 2011 7:28 am ] |
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I think Coro likes to hear himself think out loud. |
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| Author: | Mookhow [ Sun May 29, 2011 8:25 am ] |
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LadyKate wrote: Holy crap. Someone needs to do something about these laws...kids are having kids younger and younger. My guess is Coro is responding to this statement. |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Sun May 29, 2011 1:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paying Child Support For Your Pregnant Teen |
Rorinthas wrote: Wouldn't waiting to have kids raise or balance out the median age or haven't we reached that point yet. Not necessarily, depending on quantities. During the 90s, vast quantities of women were putting off having children.If you have a set that looks like this: {1, 3, 15, 42, 45, 45, 45} The median is 42 The mean is 28 The mode is 45 All three numbers are "averages." The median is simply the number right smack in the middle of the set once you arrange them in order of value. A few young pregnancy ages can bring the mean down (or up) in a much more pronounced manner than the median. Now, the median does drop to 15 if I chuck another single-digit number into the set. However, in a dataset such as pregnant women in the United States, you have several million entries in the 25-30 range. A few high or low values do not have such an impact on either form of average. Any way you slice it, calculations for determining an "average" age for bearing children are dominated by the habits of grown, adult women. Teenage pregnancies are statistical outliers. This isn't to say that teenage pregnancy doesn't happen, that there aren't large numbers of them, or that they aren't a problem - just that the statement that women are having children at younger and younger ages is misleading. While it is true that the average age for pregnancy is down compared to ten years ago, there are other factors. A great many women put off children for a career, only to find that they couldn't conceive once they finally decided to have kids. You may recall that infertility was a really big deal over the last decade? Birth defects became more common as women attempted to have children after they had already used up most of their "good eggs." As a result, more young couples in their early to mid twenties decided to have children now rather than waiting. In short, the average age of childbirth is down largely because of mature and responsible adult decisions, rather than irresponsible adolescent behavior. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Sun May 29, 2011 3:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Paying Child Support For Your Pregnant Teen |
Yes I agree it's nothing new under the sun. Back in the middle ages people lived shorter lives and got married and started families earlier. |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Sun May 29, 2011 3:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paying Child Support For Your Pregnant Teen |
Rorinthas wrote: Yes I agree it's nothing new under the sun. Back in the middle ages people lived shorter lives and got married and started families earlier. Actually, in the Middle Ages men typically married when they were in their late 20s, the average was about 28. This was the age when their apprenticeships were done with and they could afford their own home. However, royalty often married younger, and males would marry in early 20s. |
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| Author: | Micheal [ Sun May 29, 2011 5:26 pm ] |
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So glad my daughter is no longer a teenager. Now I can say no. |
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| Author: | Wwen [ Sun May 29, 2011 9:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paying Child Support For Your Pregnant Teen |
Rorinthas wrote: Yes I agree it's nothing new under the sun. Back in the middle ages people lived shorter lives and got married and started families earlier. People "grow up" a lot slower today than they did when 40 was conbsidered old. There's nothing in a modern society that really pushes people into that last step of adulthood. |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Mon May 30, 2011 10:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paying Child Support For Your Pregnant Teen |
Wwen wrote: There's nothing in a modern society that really pushes people into that last step of adulthood. I'm curious what you think that last step of adulthood is? |
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| Author: | Rynar [ Mon May 30, 2011 1:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paying Child Support For Your Pregnant Teen |
Aizle wrote: Wwen wrote: There's nothing in a modern society that really pushes people into that last step of adulthood. I'm curious what you think that last step of adulthood is? Taking ownership of your actions, and having personal responsibility and accountability. |
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| Author: | Wwen [ Tue May 31, 2011 5:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paying Child Support For Your Pregnant Teen |
Rynar wrote: Aizle wrote: Wwen wrote: There's nothing in a modern society that really pushes people into that last step of adulthood. I'm curious what you think that last step of adulthood is? Taking ownership of your actions, and having personal responsibility and accountability. That, and Quote: When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things People, myself included, don't usually change themselves unless forced to. |
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| Author: | darksiege [ Tue May 31, 2011 6:11 pm ] |
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If you are under court orders to provide child support to your minor child until the age of 18, what difference does it make if that child gets pregnant? While I do not agree with the idea of increasing the non custodial parents child support for that reason... why would they get off the hook for it? |
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| Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Tue May 31, 2011 7:23 pm ] |
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The thing that concerns me is that I'd hate to be in a situation where I don't have much influence over the development of my child, yet be equally responsible for the choices they make as the custodial parent. This will vary from case to case, of course, as some non-custodial parents get a lot of time with their children, and others get none or almost none. When you don't get to be around enough to instill values like "don't get yourself **** pregnant" or "if you choose to engage in sex, you need to be prepared to meet the responsibilities that can entail, no matter how unlikely you think they are"... |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Tue May 31, 2011 9:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: |
darksiege wrote: If you are under court orders to provide child support to your minor child until the age of 18, what difference does it make if that child gets pregnant? While I do not agree with the idea of increasing the non custodial parents child support for that reason... why would they get off the hook for it? In my mind, if you are old enough to choose to have sex and get pregnant and have a baby on your own with no one forcing you, you have just emancipated yourself. |
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| Author: | darksiege [ Tue May 31, 2011 9:45 pm ] |
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Except you didn't get emancipated. Just because you are having a child does not make you less of a child yourself; nor does it rescind a court order that ends on a specific date. I understand that the pregnant child needs to accept responsibility for their actions, but it does not cancel out the responsibility of the non custodial parent just because it seems unfair. That seems like more of a dodge for trying to escape ones own responsibility instead. |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Tue May 31, 2011 9:54 pm ] |
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I disagree. If you are old enough to accept responsibility for a child of your own, you should no longer be recognized legally as a child. |
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