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Author:  Lex Luthor [ Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Images that may cause distress are now illegal in Tennessee

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news ... stress.ars
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A new Tennessee law makes it a crime to "transmit or display an image" online that is likely to "frighten, intimidate or cause emotional distress" to someone who sees it. Violations can get you almost a year in jail time or up to $2500 in fines.

The Tennessee legislature has been busy updating its laws for the Internet age, and not always for the better. Last week we reported on a bill that updated Tennessee's theft-of-service laws to include "subscription entertainment services" like Netflix.

The ban on distressing images, which was signed by Gov. Bill Haslam last week, is also an update to existing law. Tennessee law already made it a crime to make phone calls, send emails, or otherwise communicate directly with someone in a manner the sender "reasonably should know" would "cause emotional distress" to the recipient. If the communciation lacked a "legitimate purpose," the sender faced jail time.

The new legislation adds images to the list of communications that can trigger criminal liability. But for image postings, the "emotionally distressed" individual need not be the intended recipient. Anyone who sees the image is a potential victim. If a court decides you "should have known" that an image you posted would be upsetting to someone who sees it, you could face months in prison and thousands of dollars in fines.

If you think that sounds unconstitutional, you're not alone. In a blog post, constitutional scholar Eugene Volokh points out just how broad the legislation is. The law doesn't require that the picture be of the "victim," nor would the government need to prove that you intended the image to be distressing. Volokh points out that a wide variety of images, "pictures of Mohammed, or blasphemous jokes about Jesus Christ, or harsh cartoon insults of some political group," could “cause emotional distress to a similarly situated person of reasonable sensibilities,” triggering liability. He calls the bill "pretty clearly unconstitutional."

Another provision of the legislation governs law enforcement access to the contents of communications on social networking sites. The government can get access to "images or communications" posted to a social networking site by offering "specific and articulable facts," suggesting that the information sought is "relevant and material to an ongoing criminal investigation."

This section, too, faces constitutional problems. Julian Sanchez, a privacy scholar at the Cato Institute, tells Ars that "this is a lower standard than the federal Electronic Communications Privacy Act requires" for unread communications. More importantly, because Tennessee is in the Sixth Circuit, it is bound by that court's Warshak decision, which held that the Fourth Amendment requires the government to obtain a full search warrant in order to access e-mail communications. "That case dealt with e-mail," Sanchez said, "but there's no good reason to think a private message on a social network site is any different."

Rep. Charles Curtiss, the lead sponsor of the legislation, did not respond to our request for comment.


This is a much more serious violation of the First Amendment than the topic in our other thread.

Author:  shuyung [ Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:40 pm ]
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I'm just happy that ex post facto is forbidden in the US. Otherwise I'd be in a lot of trouble for all those goatse.cx links years ago.

Author:  FarSky [ Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:50 pm ]
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Glad I just moved. Sheer idiocy.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:02 pm ]
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Will doubtless be struck down as excessively vague.

Author:  Midgen [ Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:09 pm ]
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That would make any picture of me illegal! YAY!

Author:  Corolinth [ Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:18 pm ]
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Lex Luthor wrote:
This is a much more serious violation of the First Amendment than the topic in our other thread.
would that be because it personally inconveniences you?

Author:  Aizle [ Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:27 pm ]
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Diamondeye wrote:
Will doubtless be struck down as excessively vague.


This, it won't last it's first challenge.

Author:  Lex Luthor [ Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:28 pm ]
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Corolinth wrote:
Lex Luthor wrote:
This is a much more serious violation of the First Amendment than the topic in our other thread.
would that be because it personally inconveniences you?


No, I think it has a greater negative effect on society than disallowing people to be disruptive right next to national monuments, when other tourists are present.

Author:  Hannibal [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Images that may cause distress are now illegal in Tennes

Lex Luthor wrote:
Corolinth wrote:
Lex Luthor wrote:
This is a much more serious violation of the First Amendment than the topic in our other thread.
would that be because it personally inconveniences you?


No, I think it has a greater negative effect on society than disallowing people to be disruptive right next to national monuments, when other tourists are present.


You don't have the right to post images. Of course it can be regulated by the government.

Author:  Lex Luthor [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Images that may cause distress are now illegal in Tennes

Hannibal wrote:

You don't have the right to post images. Of course it can be regulated by the government.


Even if it can be, I don't think it should be.

Author:  Hannibal [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Images that may cause distress are now illegal in Tennes

Lex Luthor wrote:
Hannibal wrote:

You don't have the right to post images. Of course it can be regulated by the government.


Even if it can be, I don't think it should be.


Fair enough. I think this law wont pass the sniff test because its broader than just Tennessee, and that offensive/obscene is usually determined by the community. In this situation its an international community and therefore beyond what a single State or even country could regulate.

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:34 am ]
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Now I need to know which of you live in Tennessee, so I can monitor the random pictures thread, and turn some of you in.

Is there a reward?

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:35 am ]
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Aizle wrote:
Diamondeye wrote:
Will doubtless be struck down as excessively vague.


This, it won't last it's first challenge.


I agree, but that's not ok. We should not be relying on "sensible" judges to overturn bad laws. STOP WRITING BAD LAWS!

Author:  Müs [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:41 am ]
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Good thing Mark Weiner doesn't live in TN.

Author:  Aizle [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:02 am ]
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Müs wrote:
Good thing Mark Weiner doesn't live in TN.


It's "distress" not "fits of laughter".

Author:  FarSky [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:36 am ]
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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Aizle wrote:
Diamondeye wrote:
Will doubtless be struck down as excessively vague.


This, it won't last it's first challenge.


I agree, but that's not ok. We should not be relying on "sensible" judges to overturn bad laws. STOP WRITING BAD LAWS!

This.

Author:  Aizle [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:40 am ]
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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Aizle wrote:
Diamondeye wrote:
Will doubtless be struck down as excessively vague.


This, it won't last it's first challenge.


I agree, but that's not ok. We should not be relying on "sensible" judges to overturn bad laws. STOP WRITING BAD LAWS!


I don't disagree. However, what you're saying is about the same as saying, "stop stupid people from breeding" or "stop bad drivers".

You're always going to have someone who gets a wild hair and does something crazy/stupid/short sighted/etc. The key is having a mechanism that checks and balances that stupidity.

Author:  Rorinthas [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Images that may cause distress are now illegal in Tennes

Traditionally this was done through the concepts of rule of law and limited government. However we've slid away from that.

Author:  Lex Luthor [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:29 pm ]
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I don't understand how people can be so bad at their jobs. A few of these senators would serve the public better by playing solitaire all day.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:38 pm ]
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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Aizle wrote:
Diamondeye wrote:
Will doubtless be struck down as excessively vague.


This, it won't last it's first challenge.


I agree, but that's not ok. We should not be relying on "sensible" judges to overturn bad laws. STOP WRITING BAD LAWS!


Let's stay in the land of reality. If no one ever wrote bad laws, we wouldn't need a judiciary. In this particular case, it's too late to not write the bad law.

Author:  Wwen [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:44 am ]
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Lex Luthor wrote:
I don't understand how people can be so bad at their jobs. A few of these senators would serve the public better by playing solitaire all day.

From what I've read/heard about the political process these days, that's probably what they do most of the time.

Author:  Micheal [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:25 pm ]
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So would pictures of a spider be considered offense to those with arachnophobia?

Would a picture of a gun be considered offensive to anti-gun activists?

Where is the line drawn as to what is offensive and what is not?

Author:  Hannibal [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:09 pm ]
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Micheal wrote:
So would pictures of a spider be considered offense to those with arachnophobia?

Would a picture of a gun be considered offensive to anti-gun activists?

Where is the line drawn as to what is offensive and what is not?


Scope left intentionally vague to allow for multiple applications. Durrrrr

Author:  Wwen [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:19 pm ]
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Bad laws are vague. IMO, it's indicative of the quality of lawmakers we vote for.

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