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Author: | Nitefox [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:21 am ] |
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/broken- ... nt-damage/ Unreal. |
Author: | Corolinth [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:29 am ] |
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President Obama doesn't care about white people. |
Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:34 am ] |
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Yes, that's nuts. Still, lots of people, lots of inspections, paperwork and databases. The goal should be to minimize screw ups like this. It's not reasonable to expect there won't be isolated cases. As long as their is a process for getting it fixed (appeal), I'm alright with a few cases. Someone more knowledgable should establish an "allowable" statistic for screwups, and track it closely. 1/100 is a mistake? 1/1000? It should be reasonable, and should not be zero. |
Author: | Nitefox [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:32 pm ] |
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Arathain Kelvar wrote: Yes, that's nuts. Still, lots of people, lots of inspections, paperwork and databases. The goal should be to minimize screw ups like this. It's not reasonable to expect there won't be isolated cases. As long as their is a process for getting it fixed (appeal), I'm alright with a few cases. Someone more knowledgable should establish an "allowable" statistic for screwups, and track it closely. 1/100 is a mistake? 1/1000? It should be reasonable, and should not be zero. Quote: ...FEMA inspector saw first-hand the Pleasant Grove residence... How is that a paper/database screw up? The inspector saw it as it was. |
Author: | Aizle [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:39 pm ] |
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You appear to be making the false assumption that the inspector directly approves each claim and cuts the check. My suspicion would be that their report got miss filed or associated with another house that wasn't as damaged. |
Author: | Nitefox [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:47 pm ] |
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Aizle wrote: You appear to be making the false assumption that the inspector directly approves each claim and cuts the check. My suspicion would be that their report got miss filed or associated with another house that wasn't as damaged. I'm not making any assumption, I'm going with the info provided. The inspector saw with his OWN EYES the property. A few days later, the family got a letter saying they were denied. Do you have proof of something else or just your suspicion? In any event...more of the same. Anyone see any of this on the MSM on a regular basis the way it was when hurrican Katrina hit? No? Why is that? |
Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:50 pm ] |
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Nitefox wrote: Arathain Kelvar wrote: Yes, that's nuts. Still, lots of people, lots of inspections, paperwork and databases. The goal should be to minimize screw ups like this. It's not reasonable to expect there won't be isolated cases. As long as their is a process for getting it fixed (appeal), I'm alright with a few cases. Someone more knowledgable should establish an "allowable" statistic for screwups, and track it closely. 1/100 is a mistake? 1/1000? It should be reasonable, and should not be zero. Quote: ...FEMA inspector saw first-hand the Pleasant Grove residence... How is that a paper/database screw up? The inspector saw it as it was. Well, I'm assuming he wrote a field report, it was entered into a database, and a form letter generated from that. It's possible he's an idiot, but I'm hoping that it was an error somewhere in that process. |
Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:53 pm ] |
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Nitefox wrote: Aizle wrote: You appear to be making the false assumption that the inspector directly approves each claim and cuts the check. My suspicion would be that their report got miss filed or associated with another house that wasn't as damaged. I'm not making any assumption, I'm going with the info provided. The inspector saw with his OWN EYES the property. A few days later, the family got a letter saying they were denied. Do you have proof of something else or just your suspicion? Hope? Quote: In any event...more of the same. Anyone see any of this on the MSM on a regular basis the way it was when hurrican Katrina hit? No? Why is that? Well, one is scale. There were a shit-ton more people affected by Katrina. Another is initial response - FEMA screwed the pooch so badly in response to Katrina initially that it set the tone. And yes, I suspect there is a bit of media bias sprinkled in there. |
Author: | Rorinthas [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:28 pm ] |
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Arathain Kelvar wrote: Yes, that's nuts. Still, lots of people, lots of inspections, paperwork and databases. The goal should be to minimize screw ups like this. It's not reasonable to expect there won't be isolated cases. As long as their is a process for getting it fixed (appeal), I'm alright with a few cases. Someone more knowledgable should establish an "allowable" statistic for screwups, and track it closely. 1/100 is a mistake? 1/1000? It should be reasonable, and should not be zero. Yes, but certain other President's were given low marks and little tolerance for error disaster relief, but this one is supposed to get a pass? Just like everything else I guess. |
Author: | Nitefox [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:35 pm ] |
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Rorinthas wrote: Arathain Kelvar wrote: Yes, that's nuts. Still, lots of people, lots of inspections, paperwork and databases. The goal should be to minimize screw ups like this. It's not reasonable to expect there won't be isolated cases. As long as their is a process for getting it fixed (appeal), I'm alright with a few cases. Someone more knowledgable should establish an "allowable" statistic for screwups, and track it closely. 1/100 is a mistake? 1/1000? It should be reasonable, and should not be zero. Yes, but certain other President's were given low marks and little tolerance for error disaster relief, but this one is supposed to get a pass? Just like everything else I guess. This one was in a bar in Ireland while all of it was going on. Obama drank, people sank. |
Author: | Corolinth [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:39 pm ] |
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They weren't innocent Muslims. |
Author: | Aizle [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:30 pm ] |
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Wow, you guys are grasping at straws. |
Author: | Rorinthas [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:49 pm ] |
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How so? If everything FEMA did wrong during his administration is Bush's Fault then why isn't the same true for Obama? Why does Bush's flyover insight rage while Obama being out of the county is met with a shrug. I get that that agencies are capable of making mistakes and that's not necessarily due to the Pres I just don't get the freaking double standard and Im awful sick of it. Obama (whose greatest campaign promise was that he's not GWB) is tripping over the same tree roots as Bush. Obama's supporters should be livid. |
Author: | Nitefox [ Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:16 am ] |
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Rorinthas wrote: How so? If everything FEMA did wrong during his administration is Bush's Fault then why isn't the same true for Obama? Why does Bush's flyover insight rage while Obama being out of the county is met with a shrug. I get that that agencies are capable of making mistakes and that's not necessarily due to the Pres I just don't get the freaking double standard and Im awful sick of it. Obama (whose greatest campaign promise was that he's not GWB) is tripping over the same tree roots as Bush. Obama's supporters should be livid. This assumes Obama supporters are fair minded, consistant people. In my experience(Azile proves this on a regular basis), they aren't. |
Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:44 am ] |
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Rorinthas wrote: Arathain Kelvar wrote: Yes, that's nuts. Still, lots of people, lots of inspections, paperwork and databases. The goal should be to minimize screw ups like this. It's not reasonable to expect there won't be isolated cases. As long as their is a process for getting it fixed (appeal), I'm alright with a few cases. Someone more knowledgable should establish an "allowable" statistic for screwups, and track it closely. 1/100 is a mistake? 1/1000? It should be reasonable, and should not be zero. Yes, but certain other President's were given low marks and little tolerance for error disaster relief, but this one is supposed to get a pass? Just like everything else I guess. No doubt. I, however, gave FEMA (under Bush - it's not just Bush, he was at least partially removed from it) plenty of room for error, and they used it and then some for Katrina. Obama's FEMA gets less tolerance from me for this disaster, but from what I've seen and heard, they're still within my allowance.* *Notes: 1) Obama gets less tolerance because the scope of the disaster is less, and it's land-based. Easier to get to, easier to manage. 2) "From what I've seen and heard" is largely, nearly completely, dependent on media coverage. So I'm not at all confident I'm hearing everything. Basically, disasters are a mess, and they are difficult. I like to think I'm a reasonable person, and expect, and can swallow, some level of mistakes during difficult and chaotic events. I don't get all bent out of shape when our pilots bomb friendlies, either, but you better believe I would if it happened more frequently. |
Author: | Aizle [ Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:28 am ] |
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Rorinthas wrote: I just don't get the freaking double standard and Im awful sick of it. Obama (whose greatest campaign promise was that he's not GWB) is tripping over the same tree roots as Bush. Obama's supporters should be livid. There isn't a double standard as far as I can see. You're talking about an entirely different level of scope. With Katrina you had an event that was multiple times larger and more devesatating than Joplin. 1836 people dead vs 153 people dead. (not to deminish the harm to those affected in Joplin) And the response level of FEMA was so much worse for Katrina that it has been for Joplin. The article posted here is literally the first bit of news that I've heard about any kind of major screw up in Joplin, and it's for 1 single family. That just isn't even in the same ballpark, much less the same country at what happened during Katrina. |
Author: | Rorinthas [ Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:11 pm ] |
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Ok. I'm willing to admit there is a matter if scope here. However, here does the buck stop and is it the same for every President? Is Obama as reponsible for this one screw up as Bush was for Katrina? |
Author: | Aizle [ Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:54 pm ] |
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Rorinthas wrote: Ok. I'm willing to admit there is a matter if scope here. However, here does the buck stop and is it the same for every President? Is Obama as reponsible for this one screw up as Bush was for Katrina? Well, yes and no IMHO. So, I don't feel that any president should (or has) been held responsible for every minor **** up that FEMA (or any other organization) has done. What they are (and should be) held responsible for is the overall effectiveness of the organization. The reason why Bush was villified for the actions of FEMA was because they were so systemic and overarching that the organization was basically completely ineffectual. But the salt in the wound as it were, was that it took an overly long time for Bush to step in and acknowledge the issues and pledge (start?) to address them. My sense (I honestly don't pay a ton of attention of FEMA as a matter of course) is that FEMA has gotten it's **** mostly together (much of which happened on Bush's watch post Katrina) and while it makes mistakes like any organization, they are a significantly better organization than they were and don't have the systemic problems that were evident during Katrina. |
Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:14 pm ] |
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Aizle wrote: My sense (I honestly don't pay a ton of attention of FEMA as a matter of course) is that FEMA has gotten it's **** mostly together (much of which happened on Bush's watch post Katrina) and while it makes mistakes like any organization, they are a significantly better organization than they were and don't have the systemic problems that were evident during Katrina. They haven't. AT ALL. It's just that this is an easier, and more common disaster. |
Author: | Midgen [ Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:23 pm ] |
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Right, it's O.K. to blame Bush for FEMA failings during a disaster of unprecedented proportions, but Obama gets a pass on one that is a fraction of the scope? |
Author: | Kairtane [ Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:21 pm ] |
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Midgen wrote: Right, it's O.K. to blame Bush for FEMA failings during a disaster of unprecedented proportions, but Obama gets a pass on one that is a fraction of the scope? That seems to sum it up nicely. |
Author: | Aizle [ Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:50 pm ] |
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Arathain Kelvar wrote: Aizle wrote: My sense (I honestly don't pay a ton of attention of FEMA as a matter of course) is that FEMA has gotten it's **** mostly together (much of which happened on Bush's watch post Katrina) and while it makes mistakes like any organization, they are a significantly better organization than they were and don't have the systemic problems that were evident during Katrina. They haven't. AT ALL. It's just that this is an easier, and more common disaster. What are you basing that on? My sense has been that there is much more coordination and quicker response since Katrina. |
Author: | Aizle [ Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:51 pm ] |
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Midgen wrote: Right, it's O.K. to blame Bush for FEMA failings during a disaster of unprecedented proportions, but Obama gets a pass on one that is a fraction of the scope? You need to practice your reading skills if that's directed at me. Not what I've said at all. |
Author: | Rynar [ Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:17 pm ] |
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Aizle wrote: Arathain Kelvar wrote: Aizle wrote: My sense (I honestly don't pay a ton of attention of FEMA as a matter of course) is that FEMA has gotten it's **** mostly together (much of which happened on Bush's watch post Katrina) and while it makes mistakes like any organization, they are a significantly better organization than they were and don't have the systemic problems that were evident during Katrina. They haven't. AT ALL. It's just that this is an easier, and more common disaster. What are you basing that on? My sense has been that there is much more coordination and quicker response since Katrina. Based on what exactly? |
Author: | Aizle [ Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:18 am ] |
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Various emergencies that have happened since then and the reporting around how they were handled. |
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