The Glade 4.0

Thought this was interesting.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

I just don't want the team to loose!...was so waiting for that reaction. I prefer the one they did where they asked high GPA students to spread their GPA wealth to lesser performing students. The cry of "but I earned it!" brought laughter to me.

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— Alan Moore

I wonder how many people actually signed the petition.

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Their all racists if they did.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Sum up?

The black players usually come from worse economic backgrounds, so it's fine that they are over-represented.

At University of California Riverside:
"Would you like to sign a petition to apply affirmative action to the UCR basketball team, which is over 90% African American? This would force the team to accept more Caucasians and Asians on the team"
"I don't think that's a good idea"
"Why? You believe in affirmative action for professional and academic situations, right?"
"Yeah"
"So why not athletics?"
"I don't feel it's right"

back and forth, etc

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Affirmative Action is a **** joke in the first place. The REAL solution here is to get rid of it in all forms, not enforce it for our white devil brethren.



Should have just stopped talking to anyone that said "Yes" to this.

An episode of Different Strokes did this very same thing with basketball and affirmative action trying to argue that it was morally right and because one of the kids got kicked off the basketball team it was all fair because they got a favor someplace else.

I was 7 - I learned to hate affirmative action then and I cursed Mr. Drummond for supporting evil.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

They still brag about pushing for more "diversity" in my town. Drives me up a wall. I dont want diverse, I want uniformly well qualified.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

Link?

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

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In any case, even if you do have affirmative action, it should be based on income levels and not the color of your skin. There's no reason a poor black kid should have precedence over a poor white kid.

Honestly, I'd be 100% fine with redistributing GPA scores. It would not change anything. Your GPA would be lower, but the value of a higher GPA would drastically increase as it would be much harder for someone to get that high GPA.

How much of your GPA do you feel is a fair amount. If you've got A 4.0 you can make do on 60% right. A 2.5 will still get you a good job right?

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

I'm honestly asking- are you trolling?

It would be harder to get a higher GPA because "they" would keep redistributing your effort. So you'd have to do 4.0 level effort to get the benefit of lets say a 2.8. I'm actually curious as to how you could be ok with that.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

If you have to do 4.0 level effort to get a 2.8, then 2.8 is the "new" 4.0. Everyone would see a 2.8 as they see a 4.0 now. I mean, what value do you get out of a high GPA? Stuff like scholarships and job offers, right? Well if they start redistributing GPA points then people will change their expectations to match. A 2.5 won't mean anything, because they know you get it for free, while a 3.0 will be amazing because they'll know you really have to work to get it. I guess it might suck for people caught in the transition before expectations change, but in the end nothing would be different. You'd still get the same reward for the same amount of intelligence/effort.

GPA isn't like money. If you take a dollar from one person and give it to someone else, that dollar is still worth the same. If you take GPA points from one person and give them to someone else the value changes.

Then what's the point?

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

There is no point to redistributing GPA, I said that in the first post. That's why I wouldn't be opposed to doing it if it makes people feel better, because nothing will really change.

So a smart kid in a dumb school would be screwed, because his 4.0 would get distributed to a bunch of retards. A smart kid in an above average school would not see his 4.0 reduced as far.

Arathain's right. And even if you just look within the school, the smart kid's excessive GPA gets reduced to the reasonable level of, say, a 3.0, and the 3.0 student looks exactly the same as the 4.0 student.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Yes, but the 3.0 student would also have some points taken away. Not as much as the 4.0 student, but there would still be a distinction between the "4.0" and the "3.0" student that people would recognize. Sure it would probably be like 3.0 and 2.7 instead of 4.0 and 3.0 now, but those two scores would be looked at similarly to how a 4.0 and 3.0 are now. And as for the smart kid in a dumb school being screwed, that already happens. Colleges and/or employers know which schools are "dumb" and take that into account.

GPA just doesn't work in any way like money. The most obvious example is that 4.0 is the maximum possible GPA one can get, and many people get this GPA. Whatever a 4.0 got "redistributed" down to would become the new 4.0, because that number would become the new highest possible GPA.

Where did anybody say anything about redistributing the 3.0 guy's GPA? It's not excessive.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

We should do this with sports, too. If you're ahead, you only get 60% of any new points, and the other guy gets 40% of them. He'll get 100% of his.

What, so everyone above 3.0 gets brought down to exactly 3.0? That's absurd. Why would you assume it would work in such a ridiculous fashion? Everything in real life that redistributes based on achievement works on a sliding scale, like progressive income taxes.