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Author: | TheRiov [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:25 am ] |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookou ... re-in-jail Quote: Some people who need medical care but can't afford it go to the emergency room. Others just hope they'll get better. James Richard Verone robbed a bank.
Earlier this month, Verone (pictured), a 59-year-old convenience store clerk, walked into a Gastonia, N.C., bank and handed the cashier a note demanding $1 and medical attention. Then he waited calmly for police to show up. He's now in jail and has an appointment with a doctor this week. Verone's problems started when he lost the job he'd held for 17 years as a Coca Cola deliveryman, amid the economic downturn. He found new work driving a truck, but it didn't last. Eventually, he took a part-time position at the convenience store. But Verone's body wasn't up to it. The bending and lifting made his back ache. He had problems with his left foot, making him limp. He also suffered from carpal tunnel syndrome and arthritis. Then he noticed a protrusion on his chest. "The pain was beyond the tolerance that I could accept," Verone told the Gaston Gazette. "I kind of hit a brick wall with everything." Verone knew he needed help--and he didn't want to be a burden on his sister and brothers. He applied for food stamps, but they weren't enough either. So he hatched a plan. On June 9, he woke up, showered, ironed his shirt. He mailed a letter to the Gazette, listing the return address as the Gaston County Jail. "When you receive this a bank robbery will have been committed by me," Verone wrote in the letter. "This robbery is being committed by me for one dollar. I am of sound mind but not so much sound body." Then Verone hailed a cab to take him to the RBC Bank. Inside, he handed the teller his $1 robbery demand. "I didn't have any fears," said Verone. "I told the teller that I would sit over here and wait for police." The teller was so frightened that she had to be taken to the hospital to be checked out. Verone, meanwhile, was taken to jail, just as he'd planned it. Because he only asked for $1, Verone was charged with larceny, not bank robbery. But he said that if his punishment isn't severe enough, he plans to tell the judge that he'll do it again. His $100,000 bond has been reduced to $2,000, but he says he doesn't plan to pay it. In jail, Verone said he skips dinner to avoid too much contact with the other inmates. He's already seen some nurses and is scheduled to see a doctor on Friday. He said he's hoping to receive back and foot surgery, and get the protrusion on his chest treated. Then he plans to spend a few years in jail, before getting out in time to collect Social Security and move to the beach. Verone also presented the view that if the United States had a health-care system which offered people more government support, he wouldn't have had to make the choice he did. "If you don't have your health you don't have anything," Verone said. The Affordable Care Act, President Obama's health-care overhaul passed by Congress last year, was designed to make it easier for Americans in situations like Verone's to get health insurance. But most of its provisions don't go into effect until 2014. As it is, Verone said he thinks he chose the best of a bunch of bad options. "I picked jail." |
Author: | Nitefox [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:33 am ] |
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Quote: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2011/06/21/msnbc-hypes-story-man-who-robbed-bank-prison-health-care-leaves-out-fr
MSNBC Hypes Story of Man Who Robbed Bank for Prison Health Care, Leaves Out Free Health Clinics in His Backyard On June 9, unarmed Gaston County, North Carolina man James Verone help up a bank demanding the sum of $1. After getting the cash from a teller, he patiently waited in the bank for cops to arrive. Twelve days later, MSNBC has picked up on the story as an example of the desperate straits that unemployed, uninsured persons will go for health care. Yet neither anchor Chris Jansing in the 10 a.m. Eastern hour nor Tamron Hall in the 2:00 p.m. hour mentioned that there are low-or-no-charge health clinics in Verone's backyard. A little Web search yields the website for Gaston Family Health Services, Inc., a nonprofit group with seven clinics that claims to "[provide] care to more than 30,000 patients per year (1 in 11 Gaston County citizens), through more than 100,000 clinical encounters." For example, there's the Gaston Family Health Services clinic on West Hudson Boulevard in Gastonia that promises it provides "primary care services for patients who can't afford healthcare." Of course, Verone was also looking for free housing for three years as a way to mooch off the government until he was old enough for Social Security, reported Rad Berky of NBC affiliate WCNC this morning on the station's website: He is hoping for a three year sentence. He would then be able to collect Social Security when he got out and said he would head for the beach. "I've already looked at a condominium. I've spoken to a realtor on Myrtle Beach," Verone said. Jansing omitted that fact from her report. For her part, Tamron ran a news package by Berky, who of course included Verone's dream of coasting through life on the taxpayers' dime until he's 62: BERKY: James is hoping for a three-year sentence. He figures he'd then be able to collect Social Security when he gets out and says he'd head for the beach. VERONE: I've already got a condominium. I've spoken to a realtor, [it's] on Myrtle Beach. Verone is clearly delusional, a liar or both, and yet Hall introduced the story by suggesting it was just a logical option one might take, albeit extreme, when unemployed and without health insurance: So just how much is health care worth to you? One desperate North Carolina man claims it is worth a stay in jail. |
Author: | Rynar [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:40 am ] |
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I hope he gets raped and contracts AIDS. **** scumbag. |
Author: | Talya [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:58 am ] |
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That's ingenuity. |
Author: | Rorinthas [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:33 am ] |
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Um Two wrongs don't make a right? |
Author: | Talya [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:39 am ] |
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Who the hell cares about "right" or "wrong"? Whatever gets him the health care he needs, when he's got no other way. That he did it by stealing $1 from a bank and waiting for the cops to arrive is just amusing. |
Author: | Lenas [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:47 am ] |
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Good for him. |
Author: | Raltar [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:55 am ] |
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What a worthless piece of ****. I hope he dies a slow and painful death. |
Author: | Shelgeyr [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:59 am ] |
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Rynar wrote: I hope he gets raped and contracts AIDS. Raltar wrote: I hope he dies a slow and painful death. Do you really wish these things upon him or was "I don't agree with what he did" just not enough for you? |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:03 pm ] |
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Talya wrote: Who the hell cares about "right" or "wrong"? Whatever gets him the health care he needs, when he's got no other way. That he did it by stealing $1 from a bank and waiting for the cops to arrive is just amusing. Most people care about it. Again, just because you don't like these concepts does not mean that no one should suffer the consequences for not following what society has agreed they should be. Without such concepts, there would be no society because we'd be killing each other off, and there would be no healthcare for this guy to get. |
Author: | Rorinthas [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:06 pm ] |
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I just don't like/get the idea of making him into some kind of modern folk hero. We have a rule of law that protects people and property. Most people benefit from that law without realizing it. When people violate that law they should be dealt with appropriately. If he threatened the life of a bank teller, for money or indirectly for goods and services, then he's no hero in my book. |
Author: | Talya [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:11 pm ] |
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Rorinthas wrote: I just don't like/get the idea of making him into some kind of modern folk hero. We have a rule of law that protects people and property. Most people benefit from that law without realizing it. When people violate that law they should be dealt with appropriately. If he threatened the life of a bank teller, for money or indirectly for goods and services, then he's no hero in my book. 1) He didn't threaten anybody's life. It doesn't sound like he even claimed to have a weapon. 2) Nobody's calling him a hero. (He'd be a hero if it were for someone else, like in that movie John Q.) He's just doing what needed to be done. |
Author: | Nitefox [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:18 pm ] |
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He could have done what needed to be done by going to one of the many free clinics in his area. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:35 pm ] |
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Talya wrote: Rorinthas wrote: I just don't like/get the idea of making him into some kind of modern folk hero. We have a rule of law that protects people and property. Most people benefit from that law without realizing it. When people violate that law they should be dealt with appropriately. If he threatened the life of a bank teller, for money or indirectly for goods and services, then he's no hero in my book. 1) He didn't threaten anybody's life. It doesn't sound like he even claimed to have a weapon. 2) Nobody's calling him a hero. (He'd be a hero if it were for someone else, like in that movie John Q.) He's just doing what needed to be done. The fact that he was demanding money from a bank is an implication that you have a weapon and can do something about it if they don't comply. He may or may not have had a weapon or claimed to, and even if he didn't,t he clerk was still certainly reasonably in fear that he did have one. |
Author: | Lenas [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:37 pm ] |
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Who cares how scared the clerk was? I facepalmed when I read that she had to be taken to the hospital or what the **** ever. Give me a break. An old man walked into the bank and handed you a note asking for a dollar bill, then he went and sat down. SUCH EMOTIONAL DISTRESS. |
Author: | Talya [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:38 pm ] |
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Lenas wrote: Who cares how scared the clerk was? I facepalmed when I read that she had to be taken to the hospital or what the **** ever. Give me a break. An old man walked into the bank and handed you a note asking for a dollar bill, then he went and sat down. SUCH EMOTIONAL DISTRESS. Yeah. Bank tellers in most major cities are usually so used to bank robberies (complete with guns) that they don't even consider it an event when they get held up. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:56 pm ] |
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Lenas wrote: Who cares how scared the clerk was? I facepalmed when I read that she had to be taken to the hospital or what the **** ever. Give me a break. An old man walked into the bank and handed you a note asking for a dollar bill, then he went and sat down. SUCH EMOTIONAL DISTRESS. That's easy to say when it wasn't you getting that note. "Oh, he didn't say he had a gun, so I guess he's just a nice old man!" Right. |
Author: | Lenas [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:12 pm ] |
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It's even easier to say when I've had a gun in my face before, though I distinctly recall not having to go to the hospital afterwards. The fault was the woman's own for creating a perceived threat in her head when there was none. The man did not use any violent vocabulary or body language, he just stood there, received a dollar, and sat down. I'll bet you he even said, "Thank you". |
Author: | TheRiov [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:15 pm ] |
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perhaps she had been the victim of a previous assault. PTSD and all that. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:16 pm ] |
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And? Each person is different. I've faced quite a number of dangerous situations; I'm not judging this clerk for what s/he had as a reaction. Some people are simply not well-suited to dealing with physical danger. They may have faced some frightening situation in the past. If s/he'd done something utterly cowardly that exposed someone else to danger, I might fell differently, but I don't see anything indicating that was the case. |
Author: | Elmarnieh [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:06 pm ] |
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More people should do as he did and let the demand collapse the system. |
Author: | TheRiov [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:12 pm ] |
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why are you not living in a survival shelter in canada Elmo? |
Author: | Talya [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:16 pm ] |
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To Rorinthas, over Googletalk: Quote: See, old man holding up a bank for $1 so he can go to jail? that's just smart, he's no hero. Now...Neal freakin' Caffrey is my criminal hero. Although Mozzie stepped up a bit after the heist he pulled last season.
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Author: | Elmarnieh [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:22 pm ] |
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TheRiov wrote: why are you not living in a survival shelter in canada Elmo? Not time for that yet. |
Author: | LadyKate [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:44 pm ] |
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Nitefox wrote: He could have done what needed to be done by going to one of the many free clinics in his area. I don't know, Nitefox. From the article it said he suffered from back pain, a limp, arthritis, and carpel tunnel...most of those things are not problems that a free clinic is equipped to deal with. I know I'm generalizing here, but in many economically poor areas, those who come in complaining of aches and pains that are not life-threatening and don't have obvious proof of cause (bleeding, broken bone, etc) are often dismissed in favor of patients with obvious and serious injuries and illnesses. I could easily see this guy going to a free clinic, filling out tons of paperwork, and being given some tylenol or something and sent home. I can't see a free clinic sending him for MRIs or fitting him for wrist braces or scheduling him for physical therapy or any of those other things..... If that's the case, then I can hardly fault the guy for doing something drastic to get help. Even if he had gone to the ER, back pain from someone who has no health insurance in a poor area is a red flag pointing to drug addicts...he wasn't likely to get the treatment he needed that way either. As to his "free ride" for a couple of years....the man worked hard and honestly for almost two decades. He is entitled to his social security benefits just like everyone else who worked hard for it....if he wants to sit in jail for a couple of years, thats ok with me. |
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