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| Author: | Uncle Fester [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:13 am ] |
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....at least according to Harvard. http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washin ... right-wing Quote: Democratic political candidates can skip this weekend's July 4th parades. A new Harvard University study finds that July 4th parades energize only Republicans, turn kids into Republicans, and help to boost the GOP turnout of adults on Election Day  And I enjoy our local rallies...err I mean parades.
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | 4th of July parades = right wing propoganda |
What does that say about the dems if it's actually true. |
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| Author: | Raltar [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:53 am ] |
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This is pure comedy gold. |
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| Author: | Wwen [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:13 am ] |
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Um, ok. What parades turn you gay? |
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| Author: | Hannibal [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:38 am ] |
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Wwen wrote: Um, ok. What parades turn you gay? Folsom street fair PRIDE Outfest And the Queen Parade in DE.
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:48 am ] |
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Hannibal wrote: Wwen wrote: Um, ok. What parades turn you gay? Folsom street fair PRIDE Outfest And the Queen Parade in DE. The what parade where? |
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| Author: | Talya [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:58 am ] |
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While the harvard study is silly, the entire concept of patriotism as a virtue is ridiculous. |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:15 am ] |
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Patriotism is an archaic concept like fealty in the Medieval Ages. Good for its time, but now archaic. People who believe in it are stuck in the past. |
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| Author: | RangerDave [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:33 am ] |
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Talya wrote: While the harvard study is silly, the entire concept of patriotism as a virtue is ridiculous. Lex wrote: Patriotism is an archaic concept like fealty in the Medieval Ages. Good for its time, but now archaic. People who believe in it are stuck in the past. In my opinion, that depends on how you define "patriotism." If it means a sense of loyalty and devotion to the abstract state itself, particularly with a "my country, right or wrong" attitude, then I agree - that's an outdated and destructive concept. On the other hand, if it means a sense of belonging and connection to a group with shared history, ideals, culture, institutions, etc., and a sense of pride in the legitimately positive attributes and accomplishments of that group, then I think that's both valid and virtuous. |
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| Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:28 pm ] |
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Rorinthas wrote: What does that say about the dems if it's actually true. That they find nothing to celebrate in "Independence Day"? No surprise there. |
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| Author: | TheRiov [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:59 pm ] |
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Really? I always thought it was the republicans that wanted to enslave us. To their religion, their corporations, their use of capital punishment, their overwhelming military budgets..... |
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| Author: | RangerDave [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:06 pm ] |
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Kaffis Mark V wrote: Rorinthas wrote: What does that say about the dems if it's actually true. That they find nothing to celebrate in "Independence Day"? Or that the form of patriotism liberals tend to embrace is less amenable to parade-style celebrations? |
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| Author: | Sam [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:56 pm ] |
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Who the **** wants to be a Republican? Or a Democrat, for that matter? |
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| Author: | Rynar [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:58 pm ] |
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Sam wrote: Who the **** wants to be a Republican? Or a Democrat, for that matter? Republicans and Democrats respectively. |
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| Author: | Wwen [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:24 pm ] |
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I just like to celebrate blowing **** up while shouting "AMERICA! **** YEAH!" |
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| Author: | darksiege [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:26 pm ] |
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Wwen wrote: I just like to celebrate blowing **** up +1 |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:38 pm ] |
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I think we would have been fine under British rule. I'm not sure what is so great to celebrate. The British abolished slavery before we did, and industrialized sooner. |
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| Author: | Micheal [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:14 pm ] |
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And the USA pulled their asses out of the fire in two world wars. |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:35 pm ] |
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Micheal wrote: And the USA pulled their asses out of the fire in two world wars. If we were part of the U.K. during WW2, Hitler might have decided it was too risky to attack Britain at all. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:07 pm ] |
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Hitler would have decided it was too risky to bomb the U.K. in WWII because the U.S. was still part of the U.K.? No. Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and at the time, India and South Africa were all still part of the U.K. He bombed Britain anyhow. If the U.S. was part of the U.K., it would most likely have been as a dominion, like Canada, or in conjunction with Canada, which has its own separate government anyhow. Hitler never had any serious hope of conducting a cross-channel invasion of Britain. The status of the U.S. at the time would not likely have changed his decision; we'd already come into WWI against Germany without being part of the U.K. But then again, I don't think you really understand how the U.K. government works or what the difference between the U.K., Britain, and countries like Canada and Australia is. Maybe Talya would be good enough to explain. As for the idea that patriotism isn't a virture.. if it isn't, then find a country you like living in. Patriotism is about wanting to make where you choose to live better, and celebrating what you like about it as it is/ That's indisputably a virture. |
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| Author: | Micheal [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:12 pm ] |
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/agree DE |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:37 pm ] |
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Diamondeye wrote: But then again, I don't think you really understand how the U.K. government works or what the difference between the U.K., Britain, and countries like Canada and Australia is. I actually do understand this. |
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| Author: | Hannibal [ Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:29 am ] |
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Lex Luthor wrote: Diamondeye wrote: But then again, I don't think you really understand how the U.K. government works or what the difference between the U.K., Britain, and countries like Canada and Australia is. I actually do understand this. Kudos to you for keeping that hidden from us for so long. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:28 am ] |
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Hannibal wrote: Lex Luthor wrote: Diamondeye wrote: But then again, I don't think you really understand how the U.K. government works or what the difference between the U.K., Britain, and countries like Canada and Australia is. I actually do understand this. Kudos to you for keeping that hidden from us for so long. I'm sure he went and read it on Wikipedia before responding. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:36 am ] |
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Every single participant in WW2 was essential to the war. Canadian forces (which, admittedly, were more substantial then than now) trimmed 6 months to couple years off the length of the war. Germany was suspected to be only a few weeks from the first atomic bomb test, which would have changed things entirely. There's occasionally a misconception among Americans that they singlehandedly won the war. But America entered late, and didn't have nearly the impact it thinks it did. Was it essential? Yeah, reinforcements are always welcome, but it wasn't like America walked in and did what the rest of the allies never could. America was just another player. An important one, but still just one. To put it another way, had Chamberlain remained Prime Minister and England sided with Germany, the Swastika would be a proud patriotic symbol through most of the world today. Had the French Resistance not kept Germany off balance in occupied France, the results might have been disastrous for everyone. Had Hitler not gone stark raving mad with his invasion of Russia...it wouldn't have mattered who joined the battle. We barely came out of that war with a victory, and every participant was essential. |
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