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Author:  Rynar [ Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:07 pm ]
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Dr. Moreau: What is the law?
Sayer of the Law: Not to eat meat, that is the law. Are we not men?
Beasts (in unison): Are we not men?
Dr. Moreau: What is the law?
Sayer of the Law: Not to go on all fours, that is the law. Are we not men?
Beasts (in unison): Are we not men?
Dr. Moreau: What is the law?
Sayer of the Law: Not to spill blood, that is the law. Are we not men?
Beasts (in unison): Are we not men?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017818/Embryos-involving-genes-animals-mixed-humans-produced-secretively-past-years.html#

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150 human animal hybrids grown in UK labs: Embryos have been produced secretively for the past three years
By Daniel Martin and Simon Caldwell

Scientists have created more than 150 human-animal hybrid embryos in British laboratories.

The hybrids have been produced secretively over the past three years by researchers looking into possible cures for a wide range of diseases.

The revelation comes just a day after a committee of scientists warned of a nightmare ‘Planet of the Apes’ scenario in which work on human-animal creations goes too far.

Last night a campaigner against the excesses of medical research said he was disgusted that scientists were ‘dabbling in the grotesque’.

Figures seen by the Daily Mail show that 155 ‘admixed’ embryos, containing both human and animal genetic material, have been created since the introduction of the 2008 Human Fertilisation Embryology Act.

This legalised the creation of a variety of hybrids, including an animal egg fertilised by a human sperm; ‘cybrids’, in which a human nucleus is implanted into an animal cell; and ‘chimeras’, in which human cells are mixed with animal embryos.

Scientists say the techniques can be used to develop embryonic stem cells which can be used to treat a range of incurable illnesses.

Three labs in the UK – at King’s College London, Newcastle University and Warwick University – were granted licences to carry out the research after the Act came into force.

All have now stopped creating hybrid embryos due to a lack of funding, but scientists believe that there will be more such work in the future.

The figure was revealed to crossbench peer Lord Alton following a Parliamentary question.

Last night he said: ‘I argued in Parliament against the creation of human- animal hybrids as a matter of principle. None of the scientists who appeared before us could give us any justification in terms of treatment.

‘Ethically it can never be justifiable – it discredits us as a country. It is dabbling in the grotesque.

‘At every stage the justification from scientists has been: if only you allow us to do this, we will find cures for every illness known to mankind. This is emotional blackmail.

‘Of the 80 treatments and cures which have come about from stem cells, all have come from adult stem cells – not embryonic ones.
‘On moral and ethical grounds this fails; and on scientific and medical ones too.’

Josephine Quintavalle, of pro-life group Comment on Reproductive Ethics, said: ‘I am aghast that this is going on and we didn’t know anything about it.

‘Why have they kept this a secret? If they are proud of what they are doing, why do we need to ask Parliamentary questions for this to come to light?

‘The problem with many scientists is that they want to do things because they want to experiment. That is not a good enough rationale.’

Earlier this week, a group of leading scientists warned about ‘Planet of the Apes’ experiments. They called for new rules to prevent lab animals being given human attributes, for example by injecting human stem cells into the brains of primates.

But the lead author of their report, Professor Robin Lovell-Badge, from the Medical Research Council’ s National Institute for Medical Research, said the scientists were not concerned about human-animal hybrid embryos because by law these have to be destroyed within 14 days.

He said: ‘The reason for doing these experiments is to understand more about early human development and come up with ways of curing serious diseases, and as a scientist I feel there is a moral imperative to pursue this research.

‘As long as we have sufficient controls – as we do in this country – we should be proud of the research.’

However, he called for stricter controls on another type of embryo research, in which animal embryos are implanted with a small amount of human genetic material.

Human-animal hybrids are also created in other countries, many of which have little or no regulation.

Author:  shuyung [ Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:10 pm ]
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‘The problem with many scientists is that they want to do things because they want to experiment. That is not a good enough rationale.’

Uhhh...

Author:  Wwen [ Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:32 pm ]
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A "Planet of the Apes" scenario? :popcorn:

Author:  Killuas [ Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Island of Lost Souls

"I want my monkey man" - Bart Simpson

Author:  Müs [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:29 am ]
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Author:  Talya [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:03 am ]
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The only problem I see are people with poorly thought out "ethics" getting in the way of scientific progress by arbitrarily deciding what is wrong or "grotesque."

Author:  Lex Luthor [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:17 am ]
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It seems like these scientists might have been doing good work.

Author:  Elmarnieh [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:24 pm ]
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Order your catgirls now! Furries of the world rejoice!

Author:  Micheal [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:30 pm ]
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Proof that Elmarnieh is a heartless capitalist willing to cross any line to make money.

And it would.

And that isn't criticism.

Author:  FarSky [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:35 pm ]
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Rynar wrote:
Beasts (in unison): Are we not men?

We are Devo?

Author:  Müs [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:35 pm ]
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Catgirls may be cute, but I'd prefer a girl that's more canine in her personality ;)

Author:  FarSky [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:21 pm ]
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Müs wrote:
Catgirls may be cute, but I'd prefer a girl that's more canine in her personality ;)

You want a *****?

Author:  Müs [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:42 pm ]
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Nah, more like a golden retriever :)

Friendly, happy to see me, likes to cuddle, best friend kind of person. :)

Cats couldn't give a **** about you as long as they're fed.

Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:15 am ]
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Müs wrote:
Nah, more like a golden retriever :)

Friendly, happy to see me, likes to cuddle, best friend kind of person. :)

Cats couldn't give a **** about you as long as they're fed.

My cat watches out the window for me to come home from work, and meets me at the door. He licks my face and then curls up on my lap while I watch TV. He's an utter attention whore. Oh, he also comes when called by name (okay, usually -- he is still a cat), and Phe taught him to shake while Farsky and Phe were taking care of him for me for a couple months.

You need to meet better cats.

Author:  Müs [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:46 am ]
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Your cat is an anomaly. ;)

Author:  Midgen [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:53 am ]
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My cat rarely even acknowledged my existence. He had no interest in being held, and didn't like being picked up at all. If he wanted attention, he would get on my computer desk and shed on my keyboard until I petted him, which usually lasted about 30 seconds and he would go back to one of his window sills or bed.

My sisters cats generally abhor most humans altogether. Occasionally one of them will curl up in her lap, but won't stay if she tries to pet her. The other usually stays in rooms of the house where humans aren't rustling about disturbing them.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:37 am ]
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You just can't beat a good dog.

Author:  Hannibal [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:43 am ]
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Müs wrote:
Your cat is an anomaly. ;)



I've got one that does that too. Of course the other one is a total *untwaffle. Named them Dexter and Deb. Funny thing is Dexter is the sweet one.

Author:  Timmit [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:50 am ]
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Hannibal wrote:
Müs wrote:
Your cat is an anomaly. ;)



I've got one that does that too. Of course the other one is a total *untwaffle. Named them Dexter and Deb. Funny thing is Dexter is the sweet one.

I have three that do that...it's actually kind of a pain in the *** some times :)

Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:16 am ]
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Müs wrote:
Your cat is an anomaly. ;)

I attribute it to his being raised by Amdee. She was the cat whisperer or some ****. All her cats were sweet like that.

Oh, he also follows me around the house.

Author:  Talya [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:08 pm ]
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Müs wrote:
Nah, more like a golden retriever :)

Friendly, happy to see me, likes to cuddle, best friend kind of person. :)


...and is always sticking her face in your crotch or humping your leg?

Author:  Micheal [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:52 pm ]
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One night I slept on a friend's couch. I woke up with a strange cat sleeping next to me. I didn't pet it or try to touch it, just shut my eyes and went back to sleep. It was still there when I woke up to my friend trying to quietly get his wife to take a picture. That particular cat reportedly never came out from under the bed whenever there was anyone in the house other than them, it sleeping beside me was so out of character they were amazed. As soon as I moved and the cat woke up it went back into their bedroom and back under the bed, albeit at a leisurely pace instead of the usual scramble it normally used to "escape strangers". It was a topic of much discussion during breakfast.

Truly, I did nothing to woo or lure the cat out to the couch, which was why I think it came out to sleep beside the big warm lump on the couch.

Author:  Rynar [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:55 pm ]
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Micheal wrote:
One night I slept on a friend's couch. I woke up with a strange cat sleeping next to me. I didn't pet it or try to touch it, just shut my eyes and went back to sleep. It was still there when I woke up to my friend trying to quietly get his wife to take a picture. That particular cat reportedly never came out from under the bed whenever there was anyone in the house other than them, it sleeping beside me was so out of character they were amazed. As soon as I moved and the cat woke up it went back into their bedroom and back under the bed, albeit at a leisurely pace instead of the usual scramble it normally used to "escape strangers". It was a topic of much discussion during breakfast.

Truly, I did nothing to woo or lure the cat out to the couch, which was why I think it came out to sleep beside the big warm lump on the couch.


Despite your prior protestations, I've always known you were a real pussy magnet.

Author:  Müs [ Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:50 am ]
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Talya wrote:
Müs wrote:
Nah, more like a golden retriever :)

Friendly, happy to see me, likes to cuddle, best friend kind of person. :)


...and is always sticking her face in your crotch or humping your leg?


You gotta take the good with the great.

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:06 am ]
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Diamondeye wrote:
You just can't beat a good dog.


Yeah, what would be the point? Only beat bad dogs.

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