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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:26 pm 
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He built it in floating on the Pacific Ocean...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/silicon-valley-billionaire-funding-creation-artificial-libertarian-islands-140840896.html

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Silicon Valley billionaire funding creation of artificial libertarian islands
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Pay Pal founder and early Facebook investor Peter Thiel has given $1.25 million to an initiative to create floating libertarian countries in international waters, according to a profile of the billionaire in Details magazine.

Thiel has been a big backer of the Seasteading Institute, which seeks to build sovereign nations on oil rig-like platforms to occupy waters beyond the reach of law-of-the-sea treaties. The idea is for these countries to start from scratch--free from the laws, regulations, and moral codes of any existing place. Details says the experiment would be "a kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians, stymied by indifference at the voting booths, have been unable to advance: no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons."

"There are quite a lot of people who think it's not possible," Thiel said at a Seasteading Institute Conference in 2009, according to Details. (His first donation was in 2008, for $500,000.) "That's a good thing. We don't need to really worry about those people very much, because since they don't think it's possible they won't take us very seriously. And they will not actually try to stop us until it's too late."

The Seasteading Institute's Patri Friedman says the group plans to launch an office park off the San Francisco coast next year, with the first full-time settlements following seven years later.

Thiel made news earlier this year for putting a portion of his $1.5 billion fortune into an initiative to encourage entrepreneurs to skip college.

Another Silicon Valley titan, Amazon founder Jeff Bezos, announced in June that he would be funding the "Clock of the Long Now." The clock is designed to keep ticking for 10,000 years, and will be built in a mountain in west Texas.

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I don't think it's a fair example. I am assuming that at least at the get go they'll be heavily regulating who gets to start their little floating utopia. Also because libertarianism works on a small controlled level doesn't mean it can work on a larger level. A big society needs public roads and cops to settle disputes between people who don't want to settle. Smaller societies, especially ones where entry is controlled, not so much.

Sounds like the beginning of a great Sci-fi thriller, though. A group of investigators are sent out to discover what happened to the floating libertarian paradise. At first the place appears empty, but something (zombie, sea monster, crazy person) is left behind.

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*Regulate* isn't an appropriate term. This project will be bought, built, and wholly owned by private individuals who will decide who they sell their property to.

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I wish them the best. I just don't see any success they have means their policy would work for America too. I believe we have too much regulation right now, but by the same token I think a country of this size and diversity needs a certain amount of order that I don't hear from the some of the libertarian bent.

Our founders realized this when they moved from a confederacy to a Republic. Yes we've slid off the deep end, but I don't want to see us over correct either. I guess at the end of the day I like being able to drive to Florida without paying tolls every time I turn, or that when my house is broken into I call the police not the gun shop. Call me a security driven sheep if you must.

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1.25 million isn't going to go very far towards making this work.

I'd also like to know how they think they're beyond the "law of the sea" when they're.. in the middle of the ocean, not to mention what they plan to produce and how they plan to go about purchasing all the necessities of life. Oil platforms are short on arable land and almost everything has to be brought in on ships..which float on the sea.

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Rorinthas wrote:
I wish them the best. I just don't see any success they have means their policy would work for America too. I believe we have too much regulation right now, but by the same token I think a country of this size and diversity needs a certain amount of order that I don't hear from the some of the libertarian bent.

Our founders realized this when they moved from a confederacy to a Republic. Yes we've slid off the deep end, but I don't want to see us over correct either.


You've touched on the key issue with America. It's too large and too diverse to be centrally governed.

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I guess that depends on the kind of governing you want to do. If you do the kind the founders intended, I don't think so.

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Just add ADAM, mix well, stand back and wait for the Big Daddies to be made.


I was thinking Brink.

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Well now that is an interesting idea, fill islands with the super-rich in international waters. Anyone wanna buy a pirate-ship with me?

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Rorinthas wrote:
I guess that depends on the kind of governing you want to do. If you do the kind the founders intended, I don't think so.

What everyone think the founders intended is different. Either way, we don't need to hang on their coat tails. I'd prefer people have more control over their government by having the states have more to do with people they governed over than a faceless and gigantic federal government. Advocating states' rights is the same as advocating slavery to some people though...

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oil rig-like platforms...looser building codes

This does not bode well.


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actually it made me think of this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057261/


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RangerDave wrote:
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oil rig-like platforms...looser building codes

This does not bode well.

Did you know it is against building codes for your electrical outlets to be oriented such that the ground wire hole is on the bottom?


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Did you know it is against building codes for your electrical outlets to be oriented such that the ground wire hole is on the bottom?

I did not. What's the reasoning behind that?


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On the chance that something thin and metal should slip between plug and the face plate, it would come in contact with the ground wire instead of the live wires, or should something land on top of the plug with enough weight to dislodge the plug but not shear the ends while still exposing enough for contact to be made.

Of course, it is such a dangerous condition that it is only enforced in commercial construction, where your CO can be held up until corrected.

Not enforced in residential construction.


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So if they were to actually become their own country, what would stop someone from attacking them and stealing their stuff. They would have to have their own security, but if you went in and killed them all no one could prosecute you for it because it would be outside of other countries jurisdiction. I suppose there could be some international court but not sure how that would work.

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Possibly get them for piracy, or world governments might just consider the whole thing a fitting resolution.

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So if they were to actually become their own country, what would stop someone from attacking them and stealing their stuff. They would have to have their own security, but if you went in and killed them all no one could prosecute you for it because it would be outside of other countries jurisdiction. I suppose there could be some international court but not sure how that would work.


They'd nuke you before they had the chance. better off waiting until they nuke each other then going in with rad suits and salvaging whatever is left.

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Killuas wrote:
So if they were to actually become their own country, what would stop someone from attacking them and stealing their stuff. They would have to have their own security, but if you went in and killed them all no one could prosecute you for it because it would be outside of other countries jurisdiction. I suppose there could be some international court but not sure how that would work.



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Rorinthas wrote:
I guess that depends on the kind of governing you want to do. If you do the kind the founders intended, I don't think so.


The kind of government the Founders intended never accounted for a country with as large a population, as much diversity, or land mass as the one the US resembles today. Infact, the majority of the Founders never intended for women or blacks to vote, and considered native Americans to be savages; and wrote the Constitution in a way which forbade the United States from growing, and provided for the secession of States from the Union. Given this, the Founders clearly hadn't accounted for our modern America. How can you say the government they built can?

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There are ideas and concepts that still work. That the amount of power one man has over another should be limited by the rule of law. No they weren't perfect, but I think they understood that.

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The tighter the living conditions, the tighter the regulations, and less freedom - out of necessity.

Unless they each have their own island, they're going to be very dissapointed.


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What stopped people from attacking the fledgling United States and taking their stuff?

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