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Hundreds of Longshoremen stormed the Port of Longview early Thursday, overpowered and held security guards, damaged railroad cars, and dumped grain that is the center of a labor dispute, said Longview Police Chief Jim Duscha.

Six guards were held hostage for a couple of hours after 500 or more Longshoremen broke down gates about 4:30 a.m. and smashed windows in the guard shack, he said.

No one was hurt, and nobody has been arrested. Most of the protesters returned to their union hall after cutting brake lines and spilling grain from car at the EGT terminal, Duscha said.

And the head of that union is sitting with Mrs OBama for tonight's speech

What could possibly go wrong with cutting brake lines on railway cars.

Unions are not special interest groups, but corporations are.

Wwen wrote:

Unions are not special interest groups, but corporations are.

Corporations are expected to act like sociopaths, but for some reason unions are supposed to be honest and upright.

I didn't say it was a good thing, I just said it's not a "more government isn't the answer thing. Also I'm not sure if the two are comparable.

From a purely ethical standpoint, it's very wrong. What corporations do is also wrong.

However, this is completely irrelevant. Ethics have no place in the business world. The only thing that matters in business is how much money you can make. Corporations will do whatever it takes to make the most money for their shareholders, and unions will do whatever it takes to make the most money for their members. If they don't, they will be quickly outcompeted and replaced by those that do. Expecting anything else is just naive.

However, this is completely irrelevant. Ethics have no place in the business world.

When the bottom line is the stockholders dividends, having ethics can get you fired.

Yeah it actually sort of does. This isn't a "two wrongs make a right" thing, it's people believing that when a corporation acts in an unethical manner, that this is a good thing. It's expected. They're supposed to act like that. But for some reason, unions are supposed to be different. It makes no sense.

On the other board we have the thread about Jiffy Lube. They're pulling a massive scam on their customers and nobody cares. We expect our car mechanics to attempt to commit outright fraud against us for profit. But we're supposed to be outraged when a union engages in similar behavior?

However, this is completely irrelevant. Ethics have no place in the business world.

Author:	Nitefox [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:27 pm ]
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violent. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1 Quote: Hundreds of Longshoremen stormed the Port of Longview early Thursday, overpowered and held security guards, damaged railroad cars, and dumped grain that is the center of a labor dispute, said Longview Police Chief Jim Duscha. Six guards were held hostage for a couple of hours after 500 or more Longshoremen broke down gates about 4:30 a.m. and smashed windows in the guard shack, he said. No one was hurt, and nobody has been arrested. Most of the protesters returned to their union hall after cutting brake lines and spilling grain from car at the EGT terminal, Duscha said. I mean all we hear from the MSM and is how violent the Tea Party is. How they are going to start comitting all kinds of acts of violence if they don't get their way. This new story, to go along with Hoffa's recent war, take them out, and sons of ***** speech(right before Obama gave his Labor Day speech which he did not and continues to not comdemn...which is hilarious if you take into account his whole "civil tone" he asked for when that chick was shot) really should just jump out at the folks who are on the fence politically.

Author:	Ladas [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:39 pm ]
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What could possibly go wrong with cutting brake lines on railway cars.

Author:	Taskiss [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:40 pm ]
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ALL the natives are revolting.

Author:	Midgen [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:23 pm ]
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Yea, Unions are great as long as it's MY union and not YOURS!

Author:	Wwen [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:18 pm ]
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Unions are not special interest groups, but corporations are.

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Author:	Uncle Fester [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:31 pm ]
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And the head of that union is sitting with Mrs OBama for tonight's speech

Author:	Nitefox [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:19 pm ]
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Uncle Fester wrote: And the head of that union is sitting with Mrs OBama for tonight's speech I'm pretty sure trumpka has his own office in the WH.

Author:	Xequecal [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:50 pm ]
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Ladas wrote: What could possibly go wrong with cutting brake lines on railway cars. Not much, cutting the brake lines on a train applies the brakes permanently.

Author:	Xequecal [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:52 pm ]
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Wwen wrote: Unions are not special interest groups, but corporations are. Corporations are expected to act like sociopaths, but for some reason unions are supposed to be honest and upright.

Author:	Rorinthas [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:54 pm ]
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Xequecal wrote: Wwen wrote: Unions are not special interest groups, but corporations are. Corporations are expected to act like sociopaths, but for some reason unions are supposed to be honest and upright. And that makes it all okay. If this were TEA Party members, I'd be all over deploring the violence.

Author:	Xequecal [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:02 pm ]
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Yeah it actually sort of does. This isn't a "two wrongs make a right" thing, it's people believing that when a corporation acts in an unethical manner, that this is a good thing. It's expected. They're supposed to act like that. But for some reason, unions are supposed to be different. It makes no sense. On the other board we have the thread about Jiffy Lube. They're pulling a massive scam on their customers and nobody cares. We expect our car mechanics to attempt to commit outright fraud against us for profit. But we're supposed to be outraged when a union engages in similar behavior?

Author:	Rorinthas [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:03 pm ]
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I didn't say it was a good thing, I just said it's not a "more government isn't the answer thing. Also I'm not sure if the two are comparable.

Author:	Xequecal [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:08 pm ]
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Rorinthas wrote: I didn't say it was a good thing, I just said it's not a "more government isn't the answer thing. Also I'm not sure if the two are comparable. Labor unions and the Tea Party aren't really comparable either.

Author:	Rorinthas [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:12 pm ]
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I'm willing to concede that point. There still the whole issue of not being able to deplore violence/wrongdoing by your chosen sacred cows. I'm willing to at least slightly acknowledge it when Republicans, Tea partiers, Nintendo, anyone really does wrong. Are you truly saying there is nothing wrong with the behavior described in the OT?

Author:	Rorinthas [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:53 pm ]
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Here's also something to consider. I can quite easily not shop at Jiffy Lube if I want to condone their actions in a meaningful way. I don't and there are a 5 competitors within half a mile of their store. I'd have to look awful long and awful hard to find something that hasn't been unloaded by union longshoreman. It's also not abundantly obvious what is and isn't. Who is the monopoly abuser here?

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Author:	Xequecal [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:23 pm ]
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From a purely ethical standpoint, it's very wrong. What corporations do is also wrong. However, this is completely irrelevant. Ethics have no place in the business world. The only thing that matters in business is how much money you can make. Corporations will do whatever it takes to make the most money for their shareholders, and unions will do whatever it takes to make the most money for their members. If they don't, they will be quickly outcompeted and replaced by those that do. Expecting anything else is just naive.

Author:	Rynar [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:40 pm ]
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Xequecal wrote: From a purely ethical standpoint, it's very wrong. What corporations do is also wrong. However, this is completely irrelevant. Ethics have no place in the business world. The only thing that matters in business is how much money you can make. Corporations will do whatever it takes to make the most money for their shareholders, and unions will do whatever it takes to make the most money for their members. If they don't, they will be quickly outcompeted and replaced by those that do. Expecting anything else is just naive. Are you seriously conflating actual physical violence with cost cutting?

Author:	NephyrS [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:43 pm ]
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I was going to say... Fraud isn't exactly in the same realm as violence and hostage taking. I don't expect corporations to make the most profit by storming their competitors buildings and taking hostages.

Author:	darksiege [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:44 pm ]
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Xequecal wrote: However, this is completely irrelevant. Ethics have no place in the business world. Dude seriously?

Author:	Micheal [ Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:06 am ]
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When the bottom line is the stockholders dividends, having ethics can get you fired.

Author:	Rynar [ Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:24 am ]
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Micheal wrote: When the bottom line is the stockholders dividends, having ethics can get you fired. You have to work within the economic framework you are legislated. Also, speak you your allegations of an ethics crisis.

Author:	Hannibal [ Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:08 am ]
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Xequecal wrote: Yeah it actually sort of does. This isn't a "two wrongs make a right" thing, it's people believing that when a corporation acts in an unethical manner, that this is a good thing. It's expected. They're supposed to act like that. But for some reason, unions are supposed to be different. It makes no sense. On the other board we have the thread about Jiffy Lube. They're pulling a massive scam on their customers and nobody cares. We expect our car mechanics to attempt to commit outright fraud against us for profit. But we're supposed to be outraged when a union engages in similar behavior? Cue Heath ledgers speech as the joker.... I don't know about your area, but around me we don't tolerate that behavior from companies. And like has been said, i can take my business elsewhere. Unions however seem to get a pass no matter what or are so insulated from repercussions that its pointless to try.

Author:	Diamondeye [ Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:45 am ]
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Xequecal wrote: From a purely ethical standpoint, it's very wrong. What corporations do is also wrong. However, this is completely irrelevant. Ethics have no place in the business world. The only thing that matters in business is how much money you can make. Corporations will do whatever it takes to make the most money for their shareholders, and unions will do whatever it takes to make the most money for their members. If they don't, they will be quickly outcompeted and replaced by those that do. Expecting anything else is just naive. I'll give you a choice: A 50% pay cut, or an ass-beating. Which would you rather have?

Author:	Dash [ Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:18 pm ]
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NSFW - Language Longshoreman union member is rather upset at being interviewed

Author:	Leshani [ Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:23 pm ]
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Quote: However, this is completely irrelevant. Ethics have no place in the business world. May you rot in Hell, Ethics and Honesty is the foundation of what I've based my business on. If I quote a job and the final comes in under quote I charge for actual, not quoted. I started my business 10 years ago. I used very specific and targeted advertising to get going for the first 2.5 years. I haven't paid for any advertising (other than business cards) since. I live and thrive on referrals. Ethics go a long way in the world.