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Author:  Rynar [ Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:42 pm ]
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http://www.suntimes.com/7558652-417/teachers-union-president-says-mayor-emanuel-exploded-at-her.html

"U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan... took the opportunity to tell a crowd of mostly officials and reporters that “teachers have been beaten down too long” and “I think we need to double the salaries for teachers... Great teachers should make $130,000, $140,000, $150,000. They shouldn’t have to wait to age 55 to make a good living. They shouldn’t have to take a vow of poverty.”
Author:  Corolinth [ Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:13 pm ]
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There's nothing wrong with that particular paragraph. Sure, a great teacher probably should make a six figure salary. The flip side is that a shitty teacher needs to be canned.
Author:  Hopwin [ Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:27 pm ]
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And new teachers should have to pass a test that is stricter than the bar exam for lawyers.
Author:  Rorinthas [ Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:29 pm ]
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Sounds good but most states can't afford to pay teachers what they pay them now.
Author:  Rynar [ Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:44 pm ]
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Corolinth wrote:
There's nothing wrong with that particular paragraph. Sure, a great teacher probably should make a six figure salary. The flip side is that a shitty teacher needs to be canned.


I'm all for it if we do away with the unions. That is a professional salary! And professionals aren't unionized.
Author:  Nitefox [ Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:32 pm ]
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You mean pay people what they are worth and by how well they perform?? What a novel idea!
Author:  Lex Luthor [ Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:57 pm ]
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Truly great teachers should make that much... now if only there was a way to identify them and not have class sizes that are too large (from laying off other teachers). Of course they could always get rid of the football team.
Author:  Oonagh [ Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:00 pm ]
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Rynar wrote:
Corolinth wrote:
There's nothing wrong with that particular paragraph. Sure, a great teacher probably should make a six figure salary. The flip side is that a shitty teacher needs to be canned.


I'm all for it if we do away with the unions. That is a professional salary! And professionals aren't unionized.


This
Author:  Wwen [ Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:19 pm ]
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I don't know how anyone could say something like that (and probably say it's for the good of the children too) with a straight face.
Author:  Aizle [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:45 am ]
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Rynar wrote:
Corolinth wrote:
There's nothing wrong with that particular paragraph. Sure, a great teacher probably should make a six figure salary. The flip side is that a shitty teacher needs to be canned.


I'm all for it if we do away with the unions. That is a professional salary! And professionals aren't unionized.


Really? Pilot's union immediately comes to mind.
Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:36 am ]
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Aizle wrote:
Rynar wrote:
Corolinth wrote:
There's nothing wrong with that particular paragraph. Sure, a great teacher probably should make a six figure salary. The flip side is that a shitty teacher needs to be canned.


I'm all for it if we do away with the unions. That is a professional salary! And professionals aren't unionized.


Really? Pilot's union immediately comes to mind.


Are pilots professionals? I think becoming a pilot is all about experience.
Author:  TheRiov [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:37 am ]
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ballplayers are 'professionals' and have unions.
Author:  Khross [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:39 am ]
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Government mandated unions as part of the monopoly protection agreements ...
Author:  Talya [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:13 pm ]
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Oonagh wrote:
Rynar wrote:
Corolinth wrote:
There's nothing wrong with that particular paragraph. Sure, a great teacher probably should make a six figure salary. The flip side is that a shitty teacher needs to be canned.


I'm all for it if we do away with the unions. That is a professional salary! And professionals aren't unionized.


This


Oonagh, I have to applaud you. I think it's rare to see a teacher who would agree with doing away with teacher's unions, being able to fire incompetent teachers, and seriously boosting salaries for effective ones.

You, no doubt, are an effective teacher, or else you wouldn't be so confident. ;)
Author:  Hannibal [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:45 pm ]
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TheRiov wrote:
ballplayers are 'professionals' and have unions.


and an odd union structure at that. Why are individuals allowed to negotiate their own contracts? Are the ballplayers employed by the union and then contracted out to the individual teams for a salary? What % of the players salary is retained by the employer (union) if thats the case? To call what professional baseball uses a union without showing the extreme differences between actual unions and theirs is misleading.


As long as I've belonged to a union their mission statement was to provide well trained, professional employees to companies. It's been my experience that statement is utter BS in general.
Author:  Rynar [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:03 pm ]
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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Aizle wrote:
Rynar wrote:
I'm all for it if we do away with the unions. That is a professional salary! And professionals aren't unionized.


Really? Pilot's union immediately comes to mind.


Are pilots professionals? I think becoming a pilot is all about experience.


Sure they are professionals just like bus drivers, cabies, and the guys who pull rickshaws.
Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:15 pm ]
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Yeah, I guess we'd need a definition to continue down that road. I always thought of professionals as salaried, typically higher education, and blue collar as hourly, and experienced in a trade.

Paid to do a job vs paid to be at work.
Author:  Wwen [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:19 pm ]
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TheRiov wrote:
ballplayers are 'professionals' and have unions.

They can also go **** themselves. "I need eleventy gabillion more dollars t sleep on and more cocaine! Let's strike!" Forget that their playing brings in business for poorer folks in the city, they need an extra million.
Author:  Oonagh [ Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:35 am ]
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Talya wrote:
Oonagh, I have to applaud you. I think it's rare to see a teacher who would agree with doing away with teacher's unions, being able to fire incompetent teachers, and seriously boosting salaries for effective ones.

You, no doubt, are an effective teacher, or else you wouldn't be so confident. ;)



Thanks, you know when they interviewed me six years ago for my job in this district the principals asked me "what do I think of teacher unions?" I actually put my getting a job at risk because I declined to answer the question. After I was hired then my principal asked me, "Ok now what do you really think?" I told him my views stem from the merit or performance of the teacher and how well they do their job not from the protection of people who have outdated ideas that follow the same dead program over and over that doesn't work. I am kind of the blacksheep when it comes to politics in my school. That is why I really don't talk about them too much with my coworkers. However, the funny thing is I teach 6th grade Social Studies and the only other teachers that have somewhat of the same views as i do are the 7th and 8th grade Social Studies teachers as well.
I know the overall sentiment for someone to get into to teaching is because they all love the children, and that is fine but I know that doesn't prove any good results from the kids. My real reason for teaching is not because "I love the children" I could do that at home with my own, my approach boils down I guess I just can't tolerate ignorance. However, it is strange, for some reason my straight forward approach intially wields a caring atmosphere that my type of children understand. In other words "Intelligent Tough Love." My kids accept that and do well. I can't explain how i get them to do well, they just do. I know there are a lot of people on the glade that say being a teacher today is easy. I get that too. Passing the tests to be a teacher, if you have half a brain is easy, the hard part is making children want to be in your presence to learn. It is completely different and some people just don't have that natural skill. I see it in this building all the time and the kids don't learn a thing, plus their teaching style is mundane. I at least make it fun and interesting and at least i teach the correct facts. That makes me so angry when i get kids with the wrong information about some part of history. It is like I have to teach it all over and I fall behind on my curriculum.
Anyway, many people don't realize teaching a class and running a class are different things, so thanks for, in the words of my kids, the "Props."
Author:  Vindicarre [ Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:20 am ]
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FWIW, Oonagh, I've never believed a teacher's job was easy; I know I couldn't do it well. The schedule, however... ;)
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