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I love how the let everyone but Ron answer the question about the Federal Reserve.

However them asking this question is a testament to how far we've gotten in just four years.

Meh. I don't agree with you on that one, Elmo; I don't think his support of blowback theory is a winning point for him, nationally. It's a point I have a hard time outright supporting, and is the one most frequently brought up as deal-breakers when people hear me discussing Paul.

I think he's better off when he's framing it as not waging expensive, bankrupting wars, and his handlers and advisors should urge him to avoid talking about Palestine, Israel, and Iranian nukes if he's serious about winning a Presidential nomination/election. I understand his policy, and respect it; but it's not a nuance that will fly with the public at large, because when you approach it from a simplistic perspective, it sounds too much like sympathizing with a bunch of wackjobs who want to blow normal people up.

The right way is to cut off its root and don't supply people with reasons to start down the path of radicalization. This includes not toppling democracies in the Mideast for oil (Iran), not invading a nation after we gave them permission to invade another (Iraq), not propping up a royal family that lives in contradiction to the nation's morality and hides it by funding radicals (Saudi Arabia), and not arming, training, and encouraging radicalization to fight proxy wars (Afghanistan).

Now we are just continuing the mistakes we've made that brought us our current situation 60 years ago. I can't wait to see what we are sowing for the next generation.

Elmarnieh wrote:

Add in: stop our support for Israel and I might hug you.

Can't do it. Too much crazy going along with it.

... just not particularly pragmatic.

Author:	Kaffis Mark V [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:31 pm ]
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Okay, Newt's answer to the first Social Security question was pretty awesome. Also, talk about Romney **** up his attacks on Perry and serving him crowd pleasers on a platter.

Author:	Kaffis Mark V [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:07 pm ]
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I seriously hate it when they take audience questions, and then lob them at stupid candidates. "Will any of you support the Fair Tax?" "Well, that's a good question. Let's ask Governor Romney, and then let nobody else (whose answer might actually be an affirmative) field that one so we can move on."

Author:	Elmarnieh [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:48 pm ]
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I love how the let everyone but Ron answer the question about the Federal Reserve. However them asking this question is a testament to how far we've gotten in just four years.

Author:	Kaffis Mark V [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:57 pm ]
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Elmarnieh wrote: I love how the let everyone but Ron answer the question about the Federal Reserve. However them asking this question is a testament to how far we've gotten in just four years. I also love that they made a point to ask Ron about the Middle East the day after the 10th Anniversary of the September 11th attacks. I think that was the only time anybody got booed.

Author:	Corolinth [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:59 pm ]
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The moderation is biased. They asked Romney about Fair Tax so that the public wouldn't get to hear any support for it. They're trying to sabotage Ron Paul right off the bat, because they've figured out he's one of the more popular candidates.

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Author:	Elmarnieh [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:02 pm ]
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I love that he got booed. The campaign always gets a hug influx of new people whenever that happens because its the only real dissent and is noticeable. People who agree with him and then get booed feel like they are being booed so it jostles them out of mindless compliance.

Author:	Kaffis Mark V [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:16 pm ]
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Meh. I don't agree with you on that one, Elmo; I don't think his support of blowback theory is a winning point for him, nationally. It's a point I have a hard time outright supporting, and is the one most frequently brought up as deal-breakers when people hear me discussing Paul. I think he's better off when he's framing it as not waging expensive, bankrupting wars, and his handlers and advisors should urge him to avoid talking about Palestine, Israel, and Iranian nukes if he's serious about winning a Presidential nomination/election. I understand his policy, and respect it; but it's not a nuance that will fly with the public at large, because when you approach it from a simplistic perspective, it sounds too much like sympathizing with a bunch of wackjobs who want to blow normal people up.

Author:	Mookhow [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:30 pm ]
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Perry got booed once for, I think, defending the illegal immigrant tuition thing.

Author:	Elmarnieh [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:59 pm ]
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People will talk about it and he will get interviews about it and the issue will get discussed. Hes got plenty of time before a primary. It might cost him a few now but its the people who won't get the vote of anyway - it might just wake some of them up.

Author:	Rynar [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:40 pm ]
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Kaffis Mark V wrote: Meh. I don't agree with you on that one, Elmo; I don't think his support of blowback theory is a winning point for him, nationally. It's a point I have a hard time outright supporting, and is the one most frequently brought up as deal-breakers when people hear me discussing Paul. I think he's better off when he's framing it as not waging expensive, bankrupting wars, and his handlers and advisors should urge him to avoid talking about Palestine, Israel, and Iranian nukes if he's serious about winning a Presidential nomination/election. I understand his policy, and respect it; but it's not a nuance that will fly with the public at large, because when you approach it from a simplistic perspective, it sounds too much like sympathizing with a bunch of wackjobs who want to blow normal people up. I don't understand those who would argue against the blowback theory. It is pretty much the single most common-sense thing that any self described conservative or libertarian should absolutely see the truth of. People don't want to surrender their soveriegnty to a foriegn military presence. Even brown people. Eventually that presence will reach critical mass.

Author:	Rorinthas [ Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:06 am ]
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There is a right and wrong way to fight the war on Terror. Sometimes I'm not sure Paul gets that point is all. We're a smart high tech, highly trained military force and we have no business playing wack a mole in the trenches with insurgents.

Author:	Elmarnieh [ Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:57 am ]
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The right way is to cut off its root and don't supply people with reasons to start down the path of radicalization. This includes not toppling democracies in the Mideast for oil (Iran), not invading a nation after we gave them permission to invade another (Iraq), not propping up a royal family that lives in contradiction to the nation's morality and hides it by funding radicals (Saudi Arabia), and not arming, training, and encouraging radicalization to fight proxy wars (Afghanistan). Now we are just continuing the mistakes we've made that brought us our current situation 60 years ago. I can't wait to see what we are sowing for the next generation.

Author:	Wwen [ Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:33 am ]
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They hate our freedom, our god given right, to give the world democracy whether they like it or not.

Author:	Arathain Kelvar [ Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:03 pm ]
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Getting booed during a debate may mobilize a few people, but it's indicative of the overall feelings for your positions. It's not a good thing. What you want is everyone cheering for you.

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Author:	TheRiov [ Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:07 pm ]
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Elmarnieh wrote: The right way is to cut off its root and don't supply people with reasons to start down the path of radicalization. This includes not toppling democracies in the Mideast for oil (Iran), not invading a nation after we gave them permission to invade another (Iraq), not propping up a royal family that lives in contradiction to the nation's morality and hides it by funding radicals (Saudi Arabia), and not arming, training, and encouraging radicalization to fight proxy wars (Afghanistan). Now we are just continuing the mistakes we've made that brought us our current situation 60 years ago. I can't wait to see what we are sowing for the next generation. Add in: stop our support for Israel and I might hug you.

Author:	Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:51 pm ]
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TheRiov wrote: Elmarnieh wrote: The right way is to cut off its root and don't supply people with reasons to start down the path of radicalization. This includes not toppling democracies in the Mideast for oil (Iran), not invading a nation after we gave them permission to invade another (Iraq), not propping up a royal family that lives in contradiction to the nation's morality and hides it by funding radicals (Saudi Arabia), and not arming, training, and encouraging radicalization to fight proxy wars (Afghanistan). Now we are just continuing the mistakes we've made that brought us our current situation 60 years ago. I can't wait to see what we are sowing for the next generation. Add in: stop our support for Israel and I might hug you. Vote Ron Paul, then.

Author:	TheRiov [ Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:29 pm ]
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Can't do it. Too much crazy going along with it.

Author:	Elmarnieh [ Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:34 pm ]
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That is what "they" say. Of course those are the same people who said the economy was unstoppable in 2007 and told you Obama would do what he promised.

Author:	Arathain Kelvar [ Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:44 pm ]
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TheRiov wrote: Can't do it. Too much crazy going along with it. I don't think you're being fair. I think any fair assessment will find him sane; just not particularly pragmatic.

Author:	Wwen [ Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:56 pm ]
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The hard thing to do and the right thing to do are often the same thing.

Author:	Vindicarre [ Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:00 pm ]
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Arathain Kelvar wrote: ... just not particularly pragmatic. How so?