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Author:  Lex Luthor [ Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:56 pm ]
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http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/1 ... ew-reality

Quote:
Postal Service faces grim ‘new reality’
By Peter Schroeder - 09/15/11 01:50 PM ET
The current mail system of the United States is "no longer financially sustainable," and the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) is looking for billions of dollars in cuts to its services.

The postal service announced Thursday it was considering closing nearly 250 processing facilities, cutting equipment by 50 percent and slowing mail delivery in an extreme cost-cutting effort. It is looking for $3 billion in annual savings.

And as the president and Congress search high and low for ways to boost job creation, up to 35,000 people could be laid off as part of that effort.

"We are forced to face a new reality today,” said Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe. “With the dramatic decline in mail volume and the resulting excess capacity, maintaining a vast national infrastructure is no longer realistic."


Since the advent of email and other electronic communication, the postal service has seen a steady decline in its use. More than 43 billion fewer pieces of mail are sent now than they were five years ago. First-class mail has dropped 25 percent, and the transmission of stamped letters is down 36 percent over that time frame. The postage purchased to send first-class mail is a primary source of revenue for the USPS.
The American Postal Workers Union blasted the move.

“The Postal Service should be urging Congress to address the cause of its problems – not slashing service and demolishing its network," union president Cliff Guffey said.

And lawmakers responded to the announcement by repeating their calls for legislative action to help shore up those ailing finances.

"Congress and the administration must act quickly to help the Postal Service save itself," Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.) said. "Failure to act will result in the Postal Service being insolvent within a year, if not sooner, bringing more pain to communities across the country and wreaking havoc on our already fragile economy."

House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) said it was time for Congress to allow the USPS to act "more like a true business."

"Congress must enact decisive and comprehensive postal reform," he said.

The USPS is expected to hit its $15 billion borrowing limit by the end of September and has indicated it would not be able to make a $5.5 billion payment due at that time. As the USPS seeks to delay that payment until the end of the year, those struggles are driving concerns that the agency could default.


Well what do they expect? If there was a horse and buggy department there'd be no reason to keep that alive with taxpayer money. I don't think we should subsidize the Postal Service.

Author:  Wwen [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:42 am ]
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I was under the impression that the PO didn't often turn a profit. It should probably go away, some jobs would go away, but once the private companies started to take over they would return and not be a burden on taxpayers.

Author:  Vindicarre [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:52 am ]
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I'm not sure if keep the Postal Service "alive with taxpayer money". I do believe, however, that the USPS is regarded as mandated by the Constitution under Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 in conjunction with "universal service obligation".

Author:  Midgen [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:12 am ]
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/snark

It's a good thing no one cares about that document anymore then...

Author:  Xequecal [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:13 am ]
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The Post Office is almost a public service already. The problem is it's just not profitable to organize and route even one-ounce letters for a few cents. That part of their business has always been a loss, they just made up for it with a profitable business of shipping bigger stuff. Then UPS and Fedex showed up and took that away from them.

Author:  Hannibal [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:58 am ]
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I'm interested in what the Postal Workers Unions feels is the issue Congress needs to fix before making cuts.

Author:  Müs [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:02 am ]
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Hannibal wrote:
I'm interested in what the Postal Workers Unions feels is the issue Congress needs to fix before making cuts.


I would bet that it involves higher wages and better benefits.

Author:  Ladas [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:15 am ]
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Hannibal wrote:
I'm interested in what the Postal Workers Unions feels is the issue Congress needs to fix before making cuts.

Extend the monopoly the USPS has over handling first class mail to all mail and packages.

Author:  Elmarnieh [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:21 am ]
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Vindicarre wrote:
I'm not sure if keep the Postal Service "alive with taxpayer money". I do believe, however, that the USPS is regarded as mandated by the Constitution under Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 in conjunction with "universal service obligation".



Technically its a power of Congress - not a mandate. They can do this if they want to. They don't have to.

Author:  Rynar [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:57 am ]
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The post office is a national security issue. As such, it's one of the very few things the government should maintain.

Author:  LadyKate [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:30 pm ]
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Rynar wrote:
The post office is a national security issue. As such, it's one of the very few things the government should maintain.


How is the post office a national security issue?

Author:  Rorinthas [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:58 pm ]
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US mail isn't a big deal for most people. Yes we are required by law to have it, but costs and delivery times and prices aren't specified, so we can move to managable levels if we really want to. Most people don't use the US mail for communication or large package delivery. It's mostly smaller packages (magazines, netflix) and Junk mail. I'm told certain neophytes also still receive their bills by mail as well.

Author:  Hannibal [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:15 pm ]
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As the population that relies on snail mail passes away it will be easier to dismantle the USPS for a smaller model.

Author:  Killuas [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:41 pm ]
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Actually the biggest reason that the post office has issues is the same as the rest of government - congress. If congress would stop messing with it and let them run it and quit stealing from them they would be fine.

Author:  Müs [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:39 pm ]
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I deliver my own large package.

Author:  Lex Luthor [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:56 pm ]
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LadyKate wrote:
Rynar wrote:
The post office is a national security issue. As such, it's one of the very few things the government should maintain.


How is the post office a national security issue?


I'm guessing it's needed as a means of communication if in libertarian-land all power gets shut down.

Author:  Rynar [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:06 pm ]
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Lex Luthor wrote:
LadyKate wrote:
Rynar wrote:
The post office is a national security issue. As such, it's one of the very few things the government should maintain.


How is the post office a national security issue?


I'm guessing it's needed as a means of communication if in libertarian-land all power gets shut down.


You know, I turned you back on about two days ago, because another poster had suggested to me that you had actually been making thoughtful posts oer the course of the last few months, and I thought I'd come see for myself. Leave it to you to disapoint me with the first thing you've written that I have read since that decision.

It's an essential line of communication durring a domestic invasion when power, almost certainly, would be shut down.

Author:  Lex Luthor [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:22 pm ]
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Rynar:

You should lighten up. Also please spare me your periodic updates of when you read or don't read my posts.

Author:  Rynar [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:46 pm ]
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Lex Luthor wrote:
Rynar:

You should lighten up. Also please spare me your periodic updates of when you read or don't read my posts.


You're an idiot. Also, no trouble at all, I'll simply go back to not doing stupid anymore.

Author:  Rorinthas [ Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:29 am ]
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Hannibal wrote:
As the population that relies on snail mail passes away it will be easier to dismantle the USPS for a smaller model.

Kinda what I was getting at.

Author:  Wwen [ Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:01 am ]
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Rynar wrote:
The post office is a national security issue. As such, it's one of the very few things the government should maintain.

....really?

Author:  Hopwin [ Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:11 am ]
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Here's a fun fact: A lot of State, Municipal and other local governments mandate that some items be delivered via record of mailing, certified or registered mail. I wonder what would happen to these laws if the USPS was gone?

Author:  darksiege [ Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:55 am ]
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Hopwin, my guess is that itvwould go to insured and bonded couriers.

Author:  Lex Luthor [ Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:13 am ]
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Rynar wrote:
Lex Luthor wrote:
Rynar:

You should lighten up. Also please spare me your periodic updates of when you read or don't read my posts.


You're an idiot. Also, no trouble at all, I'll simply go back to not doing stupid anymore.


And you're being mean for no reason. Please keep me ignored forever, I don't want to talk to you.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:16 am ]
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I don't think the ENTIRE postal service is going to disappear; it's just going to be cut back significantly. Rynar is right that there is a national security issue there; in the event of national disaster or attack there needs to be an established means for the Federal, state, and local governments to communicate without relying upon electronic infrastructure that may be unreliable or nonexistent and the middle of a crisis is no time to be saying "oh ****, we need to set up a post office!" However, as I said, I don't see it going away completely.

As for power being out.. There isn't any reason to just cut power wholesale as long as the power plants are intact and their supplies of fuel are intact as well. If they're destroyed, that's another issue, although it would be very hard to destroy every power plant in this country; even Russia no longer has the deployed warheads to hit every power plant and still hit everything else they'd need to.

If, however, the electrical grid is seriously compromised, the postal service may rapidly find itself becoming the Pony Express again. Ignoring all the other cascading effects of massive loss of electrical power, without power oil doesn't get pumped or refined into fuel, and what remaining supplies existed would be needed by the military and... well, whoever was trying to restore electrical power, something that would have to be done as rapidly as possible to avoid catastrophic effects.

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